Rabbi Menachem Fromen and Adnan Oktar
Rabbi Menachem Froman, also Menahem or Fruman (Hebrew: מנחם פרומן born 1945 in the Galilee), is an Ashkenazi Orthodox rabbi and a peacemaker and negotiator with close ties to Palestinian religious leaders from the PLO and Hamas. A founding member of the settler movement Gush Emunim, he serves today as the chief rabbi of Tekoa in the West Bank. On November 10, 2009 Rabbi Fromen met with Mr. Adnan Oktar in Istanbul. Click the image below to watch the video, or read the full transcript below:
PRESENTER: Today we have very important guests. A very well known rabbi and his dear wife. Mrs. Hadassa and Mr. Froman are with us. First of all, wellcome. Wellcome to the studio.
RABBI FROMAN: Thank you.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. Yes Mr. Froman is such a person who is compassionate, loving the Turkish, seeking peace, seeking beauty between countries. A very precious person. Now you can translate what I said.
ADNAN OKTAR: Mrs. Hadassa is also very precious. They love each other so much insha’Allah. They’ve been married for years now. His wife is also Jewish. She is full of love for Turkey. And we love them so much. Untill the Last Day, both Israel and Turkey will live in friendship and brotherhood insha’Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Look, it mentions the courage of Salahaddin Ayyubi, who is Kurdish you know, Salahaddin Ayyubi. Kurdish, Turkish, Circassians, Laz, we are all brothers. Jews are also our flesh and blood insha’Allah. Christians are also our brothers, our flesh and blood. Our Muslim nation is already our soul insha’Allah. Together we will have a brotherly, happy, carefree, troublefree, thornless, beautiful life until the Doomsday.
ADNAN OKTAR: They are entrusted to us from the Prophet Moses (pbuh), the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). Insha’Allah we don’t let anybody touch even their single hair, by the leave of Allah. They will live so comfortably, in tranquility and security, insha’Allah. In Israel, they will also be in peace and calm. We will demolish those walls. Those protective walls in Israel. There will no more be anarchy and terror. They will live in such joy in the Turkish Islamic Union. Isha’Allah Rabbi Froman will come here, they will travel in composure, we do not accept any kind of danger for them. Our Palestinian brothers will also be at ease, Syria will also be at ease, Iraq will also be at ease, Armenia will also be at ease. Insha’Allah they will live peacefully in the compassion and mercy of the Turkish Islamic Union. There will be full freedom for worship, they will worship as they wish insha’Allah.
RABBI FROMAN: First of all we have to thank Allah. That’s the beginning of everything, Bismillah. I want to thank Allah that brought me here from Jerusalem to Istanbul this afternoon. And I have no words how to express my obligation to Allah that gave me such a great grace to come here.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah.
RABBI FROMAN: Then after we thank the messengers, the messengers of God Who brought, Who brings His grace to us and now I want to thank Harun Yahya for bringing me from Jerusalem to Istanbul and hosted me in such, me and my wife, in such a generous and nice way and I have no else way of how to again thank him for such an expression of the grace, of course. I thank God that we met. I thank God that He decided to bring me here. And I am obliged to this world of grace to continue the channel of grace that Harun Yahya began.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah.
RABBI FROMAN: This invitation is a proof, is against satan against iblis. Satan, iblis tries to convince everybody in the world that Islam is a religion of hatred that the more you are Muslim the more you hate Jews, Americans, Europeans. And we have to stone iblis, we have to stone satan, to throw stones against him. And this invitation, a kind invitation of Harun Yahya is a very concrete stone against satan.
RABBI FROMAN: Another lie of satan is that necessarily there is hatred between Jews and Palestenians in the Holy City. Harun Yahya have not invited only me, he invited with me a friend of mine, a dear friend of mine, and my family, my wife, Sheikh Bukhari who is going to come in a few minutes. Perhaps he is now in the airport I don’t know. And we are going to be here together as two men from Jerusalem, two men from the Holy Land. One Jew and the other is Palestinian. One is Rabbi, the other is a Sheikh, as good friends, and as together, by the grace of God Who sent us Harun Yahya. We want to, again, stone satan that lies that necessarily that there’s hatred between Jews and Palestinians in the Holy Land.
ADNAN OKTAR: By Allah’s leave, it will be like this until the Last Day, insha’Allah. In any case, we will never let anyone do any harm to the Children of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh), to the Children of the Prophet Moses (pbuh). One is the Children of the Prophet Jacob (pbuh) and the other is the Children of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh). As you know Arabs, the Palestinians are the Children of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh). And these beautiful beings are the Children of the Prophet Jacob (pbuh). Both are the Children of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). By Allah’s leave, we will never let anyone touch even their single hair. No country can harm Palestine nor Israel, no one can harm Jerusalem. From now on, an age of peace will prevail. This century is the century when the Turkish Islamic Union will form. A century, which everyone will live in peace. For instance, Israel will be a national state, Iran will be a national state, Turkey will be a national state but the Turkish Islamic Union will be formed. This will be a union of hearts, love and affection. We will make peace prevail in the whole region, insha’Allah with the emergence of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). This will be consolidated by the emergence of the Messiah (pbuh).
RABBI FROMAN: I want to say something, personal, little personal. For years I thought that Turkiye has the historical task to bring peace to the region. I think that we have to -three years I thought- that we have to reestablish the Ottoman Empire not of course the Empire of army of conquering but empire of love, empire of Islam, empire of salam. Because Islam is from salam, it is the same word. By inviting me and other Jews, other Rabbis Harun Yahya represents the whole Turkish nation. I remember after years of thinking that Turkiye is the fact of, is the state that can bring us peace. “Us”, I mean the Palestinians and the Israelis, the Jews and the Arabs. I was in the middle of one of my lectures, I said. We’ve many students together and I forgot to lock my mobile and then in the middle of the lecture I have a call. I asked, “Who is speaking?,” “Seda Aral from Istanbul” and she invited me to come to Istanbul and to meet her teacher and to begin a period of peace. For me it is like a miracle. It is like a great grace of God that I was thinking, what I was thinking about the task of the Turkish Nation and God sent me the telephone from Istanbul in the middle of my lecture, in the middle of my speaking to my students and invited me to come and to begin a period of peace.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah.
RABBI FROMAN: I want to add something more.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah.
RABBI FROMAN: A few months ago I was invited by the special messenger of President Obama to Washington by George Mitchell. He invited me to meet him and to think together how to bring peace to the Holy Land. I came again with an Arab friend with a Palestinian friend - a Sheikh, Sheikh Manasra his name. Together we came to Washington and we sat with George Mitchell and his coop and we spoke about the ways of how to bring peace to the Holy Land. Half of the time of the long meeting that we had, we talked, I and my Palestine friend, about Turkiye. About the task of Turkiye.
We tried to explain to Mr. Mitchell, to Senator Mitchell that the power that can bring peace to the Holy Land is the Turkish-Union. And he was so moved. When he was departing he said that in the end of the conversation: “I am very moved from what you say, Rabbi Froman.” And I got a very clear impression that the result of the conversation will be a visit of President Obama in Ankara in Turkiye. There after I came here as the guest of Harun Yahya and I was interviewed by many Turkish journalists and I said, “Look here I see that very soon President Obama will come here.” They looked at me like, I don’t know, lunatic. It was in the quite in the beginning of the period of Obama. After 3 weeks I think or 4 weeks, I heard in the radio President Obama chose Turkiye as the first country in the Middle East that he is visiting. It was I think 3 months after he was elected. I think that the task of Turkiye to make peace in the whole region and especially in the Holy Land will be recognized very soon by the whole world. If the Turkish nation will work for this historical task, national task that they have, the whole world will honor the whole of Turkiye in the region in the whole world.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Alhamdulillah.
RABBI FROMAN: I want to add something, perhaps for the end of the program. From history of this evening, in this evening after being hosted so kindly, so generously by your students, by your followers, I wanted to pray. We, the Jews pray to the direction of Jerusalem. So I asked Ali and Emre, I wanted to know what is the direction of Jerusalem in my apartment. One of them perhaps Ali, one of your students said, “You know that Istanbul is a place perhaps the only place in the world, the direction of Jerusalem and the direction of Mecca, the kiblah is the same direction, exactly the same direction. From Istanbul if you pray to God, you pray to God in Jerusalem, in the temple in Jerusalem, you pray to God in the mosque of Mecca.” So that gives this place Istanbul a very significant importance, very significant importance in the whole world. I hope that the Turkish nation led by Harun Yahya will fulfill this historical task.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah. My leadership can be such that it only can be an intellectual leadership. It cannot be physical leadership. It does not mean a political leadership. It is an intellectual leadership, leadership of hearts. May Allah let me be a means in this task, insha’Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. Israel and Israelis as a whole, are entrusted to us by Allah. Children of Ishmael (pbuh) are entrusted to us by Allah, Children of Jacob (pbuh) are also entrusted to us by Allah. Turks will fulfill the task of leadership perfectly with their beautiful souls full of love, full of kindness and full of compassion. This is destiny insha’Allah. Allah created it as it is in the destiny, the whole world will see it. Turkish nation will bring ease, abundance, wealth and peace not only to a certain region but to the whole world, insha’Allah. Allah will make this nation a means to fulfill this task as a leader insha’Allah. Masha’Allah.
RABBI FROMAN: And in the end perhaps we should finish with the beginning of the program Kemal Ataturk. One of the lies of the satan is that you can oppose God. But Allahu Akbar, everything that is happening in the world, in the end helps, supports the word of God. I am not surprised from what you read from Kemal Ataturk. Every positive man, every positive party is the deed of God and for me if Kemal Ataturk is a positive figure, then he is supporting religion and not against religion. That’s what I mean what I say, when I say several times a day “Allahu Akbar”. Allahu Akbar means that even those factors that in our eyes, in the first time are seen to be against the power of Allah, in the end it is very clear that they support the word of Allah. With this perhaps we can be sure that the victory of Allah, Whose one of the nicest names is “Salam” is “peace.” You can be sure that “Allahu Akbar” means peace will win victory, peace will win victory. Allahu Akbar.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah. Masha’Allah. Our Ataturk, our pride. If it wasn’t Ataturk, Allah forbid I can’t even imagine what could happen. He granted this holy, this beautiful country to us to completely protect it, isn’t it? We are free, democrat, republican, we have the freedom of thought, we speak as we like, we perform our prayers as we like. We live in a modern country. It is a great blessing for everyone to express his ideas. There is no bigotry, no fanaticism. Ataturk didn’t allow communism, he also didn’t allow fascism, of course. He said: “Gentlemen, not to forget, the biggest foe of the Turkish nation is communism. In every condition it should be crashed wherever it is seen.” he says. He never allowed. At his time they made so much pressure, yet he never allowed anyone. He never allowed the fascists, he never allowed the communists. In his ideal there was always the Turkish Islamic Union. One day the Turkic nations will unite, the Islamic world will unite. It will bring peace to the whole region. His wonderful ideal is about to be realized. There is too little left insha’Allah. Turkey is insha’Allah in duty as a nation to make the world live in peace, with love, friendship, brotherhood, modernity, republicanism, democracy, humanity and beauty; and to encourage and protect it. Our heroic army and our heroic nation has this excellent mission insha’Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: It should not be forgotten that in every condition communism should be crashed wherever it is. So he did not allow communism and fascism.
ADNAN OKTAR: I will recite you a verse from the Qur’an. Surat az-Zumar, 41: “We have sent down to you the Book for mankind with truth. So whoever is guided is guided to his own good and whoever is misguided, it is to his detriment. You are not set over them as a guardian.”
ADNAN OKTAR: There are very beautiful words in the Torah compatible with the Qur’an. Some of which are unchanged words, Allah knows the truth. For example from the Proverbs: “Listen, my son, and be wise, and keep your heart on the right path.”
ADNAN OKTAR: Look how beautiful, for example it says: “for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.”
ADNAN OKTAR: For example, it says: “Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things. You will be like one sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging. “They hit me,” you will say, “but I’m not hurt! They beat me, but I don’t feel it! When will I wake up so I can find another drink?”
ADNAN OKTAR: It says “Wisdom is too high for a fool”. (It says that the wisdom is unreachable for a fool. It says for example that “He who plots evil will be known as a schemer.” It says, “The schemes of folly are sin”, that is, scheming, the schemes of folly are sin. It says, “men detest a mocker”. Mocking is not a good thing. Everybody hates a mocker. Insha’Allah.
RABBI FROMAN: So your teacher read the Holy Qur’an and read the Wisdom of Solomon and this is no wonder that the words of Qur’an and the words of Solomon are going in the same direction. Because these Books are the words of God, those Books are the words of One God. So that’s exactly the direction that we have to go, in the direction of your teacher to find the word of God in Turkish, in Arabic, in English, in Hebrew, in every language in this Book, in this Book, in all the books of God, all the Books that God has given us in order to guide us to the right direction which is of course the way to Him, to Himself. His name again and again I remember, that in Arabic and in Hebrew the very name of God is Salam or Shalom. And he works for God, he works for Shalom.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course Judaism and Islam are particularly very much alike. We believe in One Allah, we believe in all the Prophets, we believe in the Hereafter, our belief in the Hereafter is the same. There’s also daily prayer (salat) in Judaism, the Jews also take ablution and pray. There are video shootings about that. They fast as well. The adultery is forbidden, the theft, killing of innocent people are forbidden as well. Loving your neighbors, protecting them are also ordered (fardh) in the Torah.
November 13th, 2009 at 11:22 am
“RABBI FROMAN: First of all we have to thank Allah. That’s the beginning of everything…”
Say what!? I would think a Rabbi would be very careful about “the name of God”
November 13th, 2009 at 11:45 am
I just had a horrible sinking feeling in my gut. There is no turning back from here. It’s truly amazing how clear things are becoming.
November 13th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Something that many of you may NOT be aware about the word “Allah.” I teach along side in a Bible Study with a Coptic Christian who is a Middle Eastern Christian who is a native Eygptian. Because Allah is a generic name for “God” in Middle Eastern Culture HOW you use it and the meaning poured into it can be radically different than how Western Christians understand it. For the purposes of self-preservation, Coptic Christians do indeed use the word “Allah” when speaking to Muslims, but Allah of Islam is not whom they worship, but the Allah of the Hebrew Bible.
It is parallell to just saying in Western Culture, “Yeah, I believe there is a God.” Further investigation always is necessary to determine exact meaning of what they mean by “God”. It helped me understand as a Western Christian.
November 13th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Tekoa. Wasn’t the prophet Amos from there? Two things stand out about this laconic truth teller: “How can two walk together unless they are agreed” & He preached in the ten tribes, they didn’t like what he had to say, and sent him packing to the Kingdom of Judah.
Am I right?
November 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I feel sorry for this Rabbi (if he is one) He rejects his remarkable heritage to ally with a minister of Ba’al.
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
Rev 3:9
I find myself wondereing Is he really a Jewish Rabbi?
Or is is he a fake. A set up?
I find it difficult to believe that someone who knows the Torah & Tanakh
could look at Islam and not be repulsed by it and it’s founder.
November 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
these kind of rabbis with the help of shaytan will produce and drag fellow jews into worshipping the beast in the future
November 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Great post Joe,l in a severely creepy way.
November 14th, 2009 at 12:30 am
There will be peace in Middle East under the brotherhood of all devout. There will be no more bloodshed and all religious beliefs will prosper. What needs to be done is to establish an alliance between devout Jews, devout Christians and devout Muslims. Those who make this alliance happen are those who really seek peace.
November 14th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Freemasons can unite, atheists can unite, communists can unite, why wouldn’t the devout? Those who believe in a single Creator will off course unite. Why do they have to fight with each other and over what would they fight? on a piece of land? The devout should unite, and they will. And there wil be a golden age when there wil be no wars.
November 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Leon,
Who wants to fight each other?
November 14th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Leon,
Christians certainly do not want to fight anyone. Muslim jihadists are the primary source of violence and aggression in the earth.
Although Muslims and Christians do worship God as a single Creator, we believe in very different Gods. Our God revealed Himself throughout history through all of the prophets as existing as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Quran was not inspired by the same being that inspired the books of the Bible. The Quran is inspired by Satan and thus attacks Christians who accept God’s previous revelations as the worst blasphemers an it accuses Jews of being trouble makers and God-rejectors.
So let me ask you this: How can I unite with someone who thinks that I am the worst form of blasphemer? This is what the Quran calls those who believe in the Trinity as all true Christians do. How can I unite with someone who calls the writings of the prophets “corrupt”?
As a Christian, I will befriend any Muslim that would like to be my friend, but I cannot theologically join with someone who follows Muhamamd the false prophet.
Bless you, Joel
November 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
leon,
How can I join a religion that denies that my Lord Jesus is Gods’s only Son, and thtat He died crucified for my sins and your sins, tell me Leon, how??? never!!!!! I rather die a Christian, than live as an apostate for a little longer.
November 14th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Leon,
Would you be willing to cry out to the Lord God Almighty, Creator of the Universe and ask Him to show you in power exactly who He is? And that when He does that personally, you would worship Him and Him alone regardless of anything? Would you ask Him what it has taken for you to be made one with Him in Heaven for eternity?
November 15th, 2009 at 1:17 am
The scripture is clear there is only one way to the father, through Jesus Christ alone
November 15th, 2009 at 5:27 am
The following article might give you Leon and others too some idea,
how this “peace-loving” islam is behaving in this world.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3805084,00.html
November 15th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Why does is seem so strange to you for two people of different religions to love and get along with one another? What kind of a mindset is this?
Of course, people who believe in God, Angels, Prophets and the Hereafter will ally and work together for world peace. If the devout believers do not work together for the world peace, who will?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
None of the religions encourage killing the innocent. If there are people who disobey the religious rules and terrorise a community, and these people are being referred as Muslims just because they were born from Muslim parents, this doesn’mean they really are Muslims. A psychopat is a psychopat. He/she can not be evaluated as a Muslim, or a Jew or a Christian. Remember Hitler. He was referred as a Christian but he was not following the teachings of the Prophet Jesus while killing innocent people. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance that summons individuals to compassion and justice. A verse in Qur’an states: God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed. (Qur’an, 16:90)
November 15th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Believer,
Your Quran commands you not to be friends with Christians. So if you wish to be our friend, then you are a disobedient Muslim. Christians however are not opposed to loving and getting along even though your book came along and attacked our religion and us as blasphemers. If you will notice, there is very little Muslim persecution in nations with Christian foundations. We are peaceful and tolerant people. But the same cannot be said for Christians and Jews in Shariah dominated nations. Non-Muslims suffer. So if you you wish to fight for peace, then we must unite together against true Shariah, Islam, Quran and the Sunna which encourages fighting against non-Muslims. Then the world will be much less violent and more peaceful. But true peace will not come of course, until Jesus establishes everlasting peace.
Qur’an (9:30) - “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
Qur’an (9:29) - “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Qur’an (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Qur’an (2:216) - “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
Qur’an (3:151) - “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.
Qur’an (4:76) - “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Qur’an (9:5) - “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Qur’an (48:29) - “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”
Shall we go on and on and on?….
November 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I really wish it were as you tell Leon, but it is not and it was not so. The battle cry of the invading muslim armies in the Near East was convert or die. There were strong christian cities and nations before islam came, What is left of them is a meagre rudiment, dhimmi communities, heavily taxed and persecuted. Egypt was a christian nation. What is it now, a backward islam tyranny. Why are Palestinian christians fleeing Betlehem, Jerusalem, West Bank cities, Gaza? Because they are persecuted by muslims by the help of PA officers. Is that doing right and fighting tyranny?
November 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Leon justify the following please….
2009.11.14 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two men are murdered by Muslim gunmen at a wood processing plant.
2009.11.14 Pakistan Peshawar 10 25 Four children and a woman are among ten blown to bits by a sucide bomber.
2009.11.13 Pakistan Bannu 6 27 Six people lose their lives to a suicide car bomber.
2009.11.13 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A 16-year-old Christian boy is gunned down outside his home by suspected radicals.
2009.11.13 Pakistan Peshawar 10 55 A Shahid suicide truck bomber takes out ten at a government building.
2009.11.13 Afghanistan Kabul 2 4 A Taliban blast leaves at least two Afghans dead.
2009.11.13 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A young man is kidnapped and shot in the head by terrorists.
2009.11.13 Afghanistan Kabul 4 0 Two civilians and three soldiers are killed in separate roadside bombings by religious fundamentalists.
2009.11.13 Thailand Yala 1 0 An 18-year-old is shot to death in a Religion of Peace drive-by attack.
2009.11.12 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A female high school teacher is shot to death by Muslim terrorists.
2009.11.12 Pakistan Peshawar 1 0 An Iranian official is gunned down in a sectarian attack blamed on a Sunni group.
2009.11.12 Pakistan Hangu 2 6 Taliban extremists detonate explosives outside a home, killing at least two residents.
2009.11.12 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Muslim radicals gun down a older Buddhist couple at a rice mill.
2009.11.11 Somalia Puntland 2 0 A judge and a lawmaker are assassinated by suspected al-Shabaab militants in separate incidents.
2009.11.11 Pakistan Mohmand 10 14 Two local soldiers, kidnapped and beheaded, are among ten murdered by Taliban Islamists in two attacks.
2009.11.10 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A villager is gunned down by Muslim militants.
2009.11.10 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamists murder a man as he is walking outside his home.
2009.11.10 Pakistan Peshawar 34 104 Thirty-four people are blown to bits by a Shahid car bomber along a crowded city street lined with shops. Women and children are among the dead.
2009.11.09 Pakistan Bajaur 3 1 Three local soldiers are murdered in two Mujahideen bombing and shooting attacks.
2009.11.09 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamists shoot and kill a 53-year-old riding home on his motorcycle.
2009.11.09 Pakistan Peshawar 3 5 A woman and a rickshaw driver are among three people blown up by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.11.09 Thailand Yala 1 1 A young Buddhist man collecting plants is brutally ambushed and killed by Religion of Peace advocates.
2009.11.09 Algeria Tarah 2 5 Fundamentalists set off a bomb that kills five local soldiers.
2009.11.09 Philippines Jolo 1 0 Abu Sayyaf militants cut the head off of a Christian school principal and leave it in a paper bag at a gas station.
November 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
@Believer - Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior will bring Peace with him. No need to fight for it.
@Leon - Jesus Christ is the Son of G-d not a prophet. Allah G-d. Mohammed = deceiver. If you believe Christ to be a Prophet then read his words in the Bible. It is there you will find salvation for he is the only way to the Father. I fear that you will not because your own “peaceful” religion calls for you to be beheaded should you find the truth.
My prayers are with you both that you would seek salvation and find peace by giving your life to Christ so that the Holy Spirit may dwell inside you, Yeshua can lead you, and Yahweh bless your life. 3 who’s/1 what. While you are at it have a close look at Revelation see if anything rings a bell. Maybe the part about the Saints who had been beheaded for their testimony.
Christians do want everyone to live together in peace and harmony. We all want to share our testimony, we all want the world to believe in Christ. Unfortunately we know that is not going to happen, we know that many will be lost. The difference between Islam and Christianity on that matter is Christians don’t want to kill the non-believers they have eternity to suffer. We want to use every minute of each and every non-believers life to lead them to the truth, no or else. You cannot force people to believe, you can only force them to say they believe. If you would take time to study scripture you would realize that the lies of Islam are self-evident and are contradictory to the notion of peace and acceptance.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
That is Allah (Not Equal) G-d. The not equals sign disappeared when I posted.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Over at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA2009111000920.html , at the 45th slide of Hasan’s powerpoint presentation on Islam, titled “Offensive Islam In the Future”, it says:
Al-Bukhari (2222) and Muslim (155): The Messenger of Allah said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, soon the son of Maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah, and money will become abundant until no one will accept it.”
Translation: the Islamic messiah will destroy Christianity, kill the Jews, and no-one will be allowed to pay for their life anymore. There will be so many people killed, that their money will be free for all “believers” to take and will become worthless.
Nice vision of the future, which is of course exactly in tune with the central premise of Islam - religion of peace and brotherly love among the Muslims, and enslavement and death for everyone else. Apparently enslavement too won’t be allowed anymore, according to this Hadith.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Nice vision of the future, which is of course exactly in tune with the central premise of Islam - religion of peace and brotherly love among the Muslims, and enslavement and death for everyone else.
And it jibes shockingly well with the words of The Prophets — both of the Old Testament, and of The New — regarding The Beast and his government.
<SARCASM>Strange how that is…</SARCASM>
January 14th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Greetings.
Mr Joel, I was very surprised to c u twisting pasages from the Noble Quran and quoting them out of their historical context. The same can be done with any book if one wants to demonize it. For example take the sayings of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels where he cursed, abused, whipped, and predicted terrible punishments for those who disobey him. example Matthew 10:34 where Jesus is supposed to have said “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. ”
After all don’t you christians beieve that this ” loving ” Jesus of yours will throw non Christians into hell for not accepting Christianity?
So stop quoting the Quran out of its historical context in the hope that u will be able to scare people away from the truth of Islam.
All the verses u have quoted from the Quran are taken out from their historical context which makes them sound very violent. But if u put it in the historical context of a Prophet then there is not problem in understanding them.
I will just give u some samples.
Surah 60:8 “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. ”
“Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (Surah 3:113-114)”