Barack Obama is not the Antichrist
I feel foolish even having to post this, but it seems with so many emotions so high right now, this is the issue du jour. First of all, we have to trust that the Scriptures are understandable enough that we can discern what they are speaking about. Of course, we also need to be humble enough not to be dogmatic on highly technical or very debatable issues. That the AC is from the ME and not some American leader however, I believe is fairly undeniable. Again, very briefly; Daniel 2 and 7 tells us that the AC will emerge from out of the fourth Empire. The only empire that fulfills all of the Biblical criteria as defined in Daniel is the Islamic / Ottoman empire that crushed all of the others. (Babylon, Persia, Greece). Only the Islamic Empire did this. See Daniel 2:34-35 and 40. When Scripture repeatedly points over and over again to the same region, then we know that the Lord is emphasizing something for a reason. He is not trying to mislead us, but wants us to get it. So when we see that the AC is also foreshadowed in Daniel 8 and 11 as Antiochus Epiphanies IV, we take note that he is from the region of Syria. Same region again. Elsewhere, the AC is also called the Assyrian (See Micah 5, (which also accurately said that Jesus would come from Bethlehem). These areas again overlap. Isaiah also refers to the Ac as the Assyrian. The AC is also from Magog (Asia Minor which once again overlaps and points us toward the same region). When Scripture clearly testifies repeatedly like this, I believe that we should pay heed and not give in to fearful reports. This isn’t to say that Obama is not a text book narcissist with a very cult-like following. Many of his supporters are clear devotees of a new political religious movement not unlike what we have seen with Adolph Hitler. But again, I am not worried about him being the Biblical Antichrist. I simply do not see Scripture supporting this and I do not believe that anyone can produce the verses to claim otherwise. But as always, God knows best. That’s my very brief take on the subject. Peace and Blessings to all…
November 5th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
The Antichrist?
November 5th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Joel,
You made a very good point. I usually get an average of 80 hits per day on my article entitled ‘’The Origin of the Antichrist'’. It is now 8:30 PM on November the 5th and I already got almost 400 hits on that article alone because people who do not know their Bibles are asking whether Obama is the Antichrist or not by typing phrases such as ‘’Where does the Antichrist come from?'’ on search engines. To their disappointment I do not talk about Barack Obama but about the Antichrist as a man coming from the Middle East probably from a new Assyria in Iraq or from within the confines of the Assyrian empire which included Northern Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Jordan etc.
Barack Obama might be an antichrist for being a liberal who denies the fundamentals of the Christian faith but he is NOT THE Antichrist of the Bible as many are being led to think. Even my mother in law and brother in law who have been Christians for a long time were telling me and my wife that Obama could be the man of sin. I told them it is impossible since the Antichrist comes from the East, not from the West.
To those who would be interested in my position on where the Antichrist comes from, here is the link to the article:
http://www.bibleprophecyinthenews.com/Nationality_of_Antichrist.html
Blessings,
Rodrigo Silva
www.bibleprophecyinthenews.com
www.beastfromtheeast.org
November 5th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Joel,
You say, “Many of his supporters are clear devotees of a new political religious movement not unlike what we have seen with Adolph Hitler.”
Are you referring to the Emergent Church Movement? I’m sorry if I come across like an egghead, but this head cold is making me stupid.
I know all about the Emergent nonsense, and read your post recently regarding the same, and figured this was about them too. Just trying to keep my facts straight!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Mellisa,
I am simply referring to the cult of Obama. I say cult because of the many neo-religious elements that have surrounded the Obama campaign. The hype. The adulation. The near reverence. As Michelle Obama has said, Barack is the only man who can “heal” this nation and “fix our souls”. I experienced tha calls from the Obama campaign where the helpers wouldn’t so much speak about Obama’s plans as they would “testify” about their coming to Obama and his cause. Very similar to a religious testimony conversion experience. Its that kind of nonsense that I am speaking of when I say a religious political movement. And Obama has done nothing to deter this, but has instead encouraged it. No one can heal my soul Michelle. Only Christ can do this. Of course, many of the Emergents are devotees of Obamism, but that was not what I was speaking of specifically.
Blessings, Joel
November 5th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Thanks Rodrigo. Bless you!
November 5th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Thanks Joel. Yes, many Emergent followers are in his camp, but I do agree with what you’ve said about a religious political movement. Thanks for the details. Makes perfect sense.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Joel
I’ve been reading your site for awhile, great job! I tell everyone I know to make it a regular read. My question is: do you think since Obama’s family comes from Kenya, is muslim and he is mostly Arab in origin that he could possibly fit some of the mold?? I mean, with his rapid rise to the top out of seemingly nowhere, it looks quite suspect. I don’t think he is THE AC but I do think he will play a big role in the promoting the AC.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Here is something I found to help me focus on what I can do for our New President.
Whether you voted for Obama or not, you need to pray for him. Here are 10 ways I plan to intercede for him regularly:
1. Pray for Obama’s protection. We already know that some weird, neo-Nazi fanatics in Tennessee plotted to kill Sen. Obama during his campaign. Let’s pray that racist hatred is not allowed to spread. Let’s cancel every assassin’s bullet in the name of Jesus. May civility triumph over bigotry.
2. Cover his wife and daughters in prayer. It is not easy to live under constant media scrutiny. Pray for Obama’s wife, Michelle, and their two daughters, Malia and Natasha, as they face invasive cameras, nosy reporters, maniacal fans and dangerous enemies. Obama is not only a politician but also a husband and a father.
3. Pray that Obama will govern with God’s wisdom. God rewarded Solomon because he asked for wisdom instead of wealth, long life or vengeance on his enemies (see 1 Kings 3:11-12). Pray that Obama will order his priorities like that. Despite Solomon’s tragic character flaws, his legacy was wisdom. We can ask God to give our president the same grace.
4. Ask God to keep our president humble. Many great American leaders became corrupt after they moved to Washington. The fatal attraction of fame, wealth and power proved irresistible. The only thing that will guard a man or woman from this pitfall is humility. May God deliver President Obama from the curse of pride.
5. Pray for wise and righteous advisers to surround him. Godly leaders cannot do their job alone. Even the best leaders have failed because they trusted the wrong people. Pray that Obama will not select his counselors based on party, race, pedigree or political cronyism but on godly character and proven wisdom. Pray also that he will not allow secret traitors into his inner circle.
6. Ask for the spirit of reconciliation. Some segments of our deeply divided society want nothing to do with Obama now that he has won the presidency. Even some Christians will be tempted to harbor resentment and nurse political grudges throughout his term in office. Pray that God will grant forgiveness and healing so that leaders on all political levels can have constructive dialogue.
7. Pray that Obama will adopt pro-life convictions. Many politicians have changed their views on key issues while in office. In the 1800s some leaders who favored slavery later denounced it. In the 1950s some who opposed racial integration later became champions of it. Even though Obama won approval from many voters because he sanctions abortion, God could soften and change his heart.
8. Bind all evil forces assigned to manipulate our president. The specter of Islamic terrorism looms over the United States, and dark forces are ready to infiltrate. Our only hope lies in prayer to the God who is able to expose and outwit the schemes of the wicked. This is truly a time for spiritual warfare, and intercessors must not come off the wall in this hour! Pray that no foreign government, terrorist organization or demonic principality will use Obama as a tool. We must stand strong against the spirit of antichrist that promotes dictatorship, persecution of Christians and hostility toward Israel.
9. Pray that Obama’s door will remain open to the church. The loudest voices of secular culture—from Bill Maher in Hollywood to atheists in academia—would be happy if religion were removed from public life. Pray that Obama, who claims to have a personal faith in Jesus Christ, will unapologetically welcome Christian leaders into his company and seek their counsel. And pray that false religious leaders (who claim to know Christ but deny His power) will not have his ear.
10. Pray that our nation will enjoy God’s peace and blessing during the Obama administration. The apostle Paul instructed early believers to pray for all in authority “so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity” (1 Tim. 2:2, NASB). God’s will is for America to experience peace and prosperity so that we can continue to export the gospel to the nations. This must happen whether a Democrat or a Republican is in the White House. As we cry out for God’s mercy on our wayward nation, pray that He will allow us to be a light to the world as we finance global missions, feed and heal the world’s poor and share Christ’s love at home and abroad.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
One has to admit,..Its gotta be a pretty bright spot in Barack Obama’s life being elected like this, because his Kenyan father and Indonisian step-father both failed to reach their ultimate goals in politics,..and I’m pretty sure I read his Kenyan father eventually drank himself into a fatal car accident because of it. All the best for him and his family and all the best for our Country as a result of his nomination…..
November 6th, 2008 at 12:06 am
If perhaps he is not THE Antichrist… do you think it is possible that he is “an” Antichrist… John says there will be many?
1 John 2:18
“Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.”
Also, just as FYI.. there is a very good detailed interview of Obama’s religious views. He sounds very “New Age” here, (which would make sense since his grandparents were Unitarian.)
Here is the link to the interview….
http://falsani.blogspot.com/2004/04/barack-obama-god-factor-interview-from.html
Blessings, Bee
November 6th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Joel–(hope you’ll take my thoughts seriously and respond –I like most am sooooo concerned) With all due respect to the Word of God, in reference to saying Obama is not the Anti-christ…How do you know what his ARAB heritage is? (Obama being 44% Arab) His father although from Kenya is primarily ARAB 90% and the origin of Obama’s father’s Arab heritage I’ve not seen–what country specifically. So if the Anti-Christ comes from that region who are we to say he has to have lived there? Obama is half ARAB and the other half white(European?). I think we are going to have a rude awakening when all is said and done about all of our interpretations of “end times” and we could ALL be way off. It’s hard to say….I think if he isn’t the anti-Christ then he is possibly the “false prophet” or “beast” talked about….yeh, I know, go to Scripture. I’ve been in Revelations for days and here is another controversy I dont understand–I’ve heard most ligit scholars say the war of Gog and Magog happens at Armageddon–I have yet to find the word Armageddon in Revelations(maybe havent gotten that far) but Gog and Magog happens AFTER the 1000 year reign of Jesus after the 2nd coming and around Satan’s second reign a loooonnnnggg time from now. So –I dont get any of it—like I said I think it is important to remain humble and be careful about our interpretations. Obama certainly has the earmarkings of a Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Osama bin Laden combined…his hatred for anyone not Middle-eastern or African is soooo apparent. And then their are the folks, “scholars” too they say ,who believe that Armageddon will happen in the USA instead of Israel …so that puts the Anti-Christ right here in Washinton DC !! It’s something to think about. I just want to keep “looking up knowing my redemption draweth nigh” and pray I’m Raptured before any of this gets too much worse. thanks –I really hope you’ll take my thoughts seriously–I’m joking a bit but actually very serious about it all. thanks and God bless–jh
November 6th, 2008 at 2:53 am
Thank you, Kris, for 10 excellent points to pray.
November 6th, 2008 at 3:16 am
Kris your post on prayer points is spot on. I am not an American but if I could I would not have voted for him and there are many things about him that I don’t like but God can and does use many different types of people and I hope and pray that God does change Obama. As for Obama being the Ac, obviously people who say this don’t know their Bibles. And the Church has a very bad record in trying to identify the Ac, from saying Nero, Popes, Henry 8th, Cromwell, Nepolian, Darwin, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler etc etc etc. Get my point.
November 6th, 2008 at 3:41 am
….And he could WELL BE THE ROOSEVELT of World War THREE and perhaps the TRUMAN TOO…
…Since I firmly believe that if there is a man who will “push the button” WHEN DIPLOMACY will BE VOID and NULL, and after a night of prayers asking GOD to forgive him….
IS BARACK H. OBAMA! You can bet on it!
November 6th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Okay so Obama is the AC for many American Christians, I bet Mao Ze Dong was the AC for many Chinese Christians, that Stalin was the AC for many Russian Christians, and so on, and so on…
When are we gonna stop this foolishness???
For the last time people the AC comes from the ME:
5 He will be our peace when the Assyrian invades our land, and when he marches through our fortresses, then we will raise against him seven shepherds, and eight leaders of men. 6 They will rule the land of the Assyrian with the sword, the land of Nimrod in its gates. He will deliver us from the Assyrian, when he invades our land, and when he marches within our border. (Micah 5:5-6)
Where is “the land of Nimrod”, North America or the ME?
8 Then the he-goat grew very great, but at the peak of his power his big horn was broken. In its place, four conspicuous horns sprouted toward the four winds of heaven. 9 From one of them emerged a small horn, which extended itself greatly toward the south, toward the east, and toward the beautiful land. (Daniel 8:8-9)
“From one of them”, i.e. from one of the 4 horns, the “little horn” emerges from one of the 4 horns, and we all know that those 4 horns are the 4 division’s of Alex the Great’s kingdom, which spanned from the Greek mainland to Central Asia. That is what the Bible teaches, now are you gonna keep dancing around it or are you gonna finally submit to it?
There’s more passages such as Daniel 11 (in verse 36 the person changes but the location does NOT) & Ezekiel 38-39, all of which completely rule out anyone from anywhere west of the Greek mainland.
As for the “Obama has Arab blood” argument, again you are NOT listening to the Prophets, Obama is still outside the region God outlines, this is geography NOT anthropology! Before you can know who to look for you first have to know WHERE to look and the Bible explicitly and unconditionally rules out everything west of the Greek mainland.
This is God’s truth no accept it and stop this nonsense!
November 6th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Okay so Obama is the AC for many American Christians, I bet Mao Ze Dong was the AC for many Chinese Christians, that Stalin was the AC for many Russian Christians, and so on, and so on…
When are we gonna stop this foolishness???
For the last time people the AC comes from the ME:
5 He will be our peace when the Assyrian invades our land, and when he marches through our fortresses, then we will raise against him seven shepherds, and eight leaders of men. 6 They will rule the land of the Assyrian with the sword, the land of Nimrod in its gates. He will deliver us from the Assyrian, when he invades our land, and when he marches within our border. (Micah 5:5-6)
Where is “the land of Nimrod”, North America or the ME?
8 Then the he-goat grew very great, but at the peak of his power his big horn was broken. In its place, four conspicuous horns sprouted toward the four winds of heaven. 9 From one of them emerged a small horn, which extended itself greatly toward the south, toward the east, and toward the beautiful land. (Daniel 8:8-9)
“From one of them”, i.e. from one of the 4 horns, the “little horn” emerges from one of the 4 horns, and we all know that those 4 horns are the 4 division’s of Alex the Great’s kingdom, which spanned from the Greek mainland to Central Asia. That is what the Bible teaches, now are you gonna keep dancing around it or are you gonna finally submit to it?
There’s more passages such as Daniel 11 (in verse 36 the person changes but the location does NOT) & Ezekiel 38-39, all of which completely rule out anyone from anywhere west of the Greek mainland.
As for the “Obama has Arab blood” argument, again you are NOT listening to the Prophets, Obama is still outside the region God outlines, this is geography NOT anthropology! Before you can know who to look for you first have to know WHERE to look and the Bible explicitly and unconditionally rules out everything west of the Greek mainland.
This is God’s truth now accept it and stop this nonsense!
November 6th, 2008 at 9:24 am
‘With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.’ Daniel 11:32
This is the only thing that remotely resembles Obama, since everyone who speaks with him, regardless of ideology, comes away thinking he’s on their side. This leads me to believe that his talent and expertise in ‘flattery’ may cause him to be a TOOL of the Imam al-Mahdi/AC, but he is NOT THE GUY WE’RE LOOKING FOR.
Otherwise, as I’ve mentioned here before, Obama doesn’t meet the hadith criteria: His name will be Muhammed; Parents’ names will be Abdullah and Aamina; Light (White) skinned; Has a long beard; Physical features similar to a Jew.
November 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Joel & others,
You are saying the Bible says the AC must be from the ME. That is just not true. The Bible says what it says and it does talk about the AC being from the 4th kingdom. However your thoughts that the kingdom must be Islamic are your thoughts and not the Bibles. While I belive you present some good arguments for your case and I may even think that you are correct, these beliefs are not the Bible. You and I and others could be reading things wrong or we simply don’t have all of the facts about world players. Though I don’t think Obama is the AC, he could be. We may say the same about others in the future. Whoever it is, will become clearer though I think in time, if he is on the scene.. But for sure at one point he will be revealed and the true believer will have to accept it.
November 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Larry,
Well said!
November 6th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Larry,
Here is my reasoning, you can take it for what you wish, but I feel fairly safe holding firm in my position.
1. The Ac will come out of the fourth Empire of Daniel 2 & 7
2. We know the identification of the fourth empire because of the Biblical criteria that it would crush The Babylonian, the Medo-Persian and the Greek Empires.
3. No empire in history accomplished this apart from the Islamic Empire.
4. The Islamic Empire does not include the United States.
Beyond this, the Bible also tells us that the AC would be “The Assyrian”.
Beyond this, the Bible says that the Ac would come from out of the Syrian division of the Greek Empire. (Daniel 8, 11)
All of this info leads me to believe that the Bible indeed does point us to the ME as the location of where the AC will emerge.
Again, God knows best, and of course, time will tell, but my sense is that some folks are grasping at straws presently. I am making all efforts to hold firm to what His Word tells me.
Blessin You, Joel
November 6th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Joel,
I belive the antichrist will be muslim. My question is does he actually have to be physically born in the middle east?
Thanks,
c.alt
November 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
“The man of lawlessness…the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped…”
2 Thess 2:3
November 6th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Indeed Alex. Indeed.
November 6th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Indeed Alex. Indeed.
November 6th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I don’t think he is the AC either but you can bet I’m keeping
a close eye on this one.
How about he’s someone like Maitreya?
http://www.chronwatch-america.com/articles/3241/1/Obama-the-World-Teacher/Page1.html
You saw the appointment of Rahm Emmanuel.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
November 6th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Larry:
Joel & others,
You are saying the Bible says the AC must be from the ME. That is just not true.
Alex:
4 He himself will be peace! Should the Assyrian invade our country, should he set foot in our land, we shall raise seven shepherds against him, eight leaders of men; 5 they will shepherd Assyria with the sword, the country of Nimrod with naked blade. He will save us from the Assyrian, should he invade our country, should he set foot inside our frontiers. (Micah 5:4-5)
Where is “Assyria” and “the country of Nimrod”? North America? Not according to the Bible:
8 Cush fathered Nimrod who was the first potentate on earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter in the eyes of Yahweh, hence the saying, ‘Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter in the eyes of Yahweh’. 10 The mainstays of his empire were Babel, Erech and Accad, all of them in the land of Shinar. 11 From this country came Asshur, and he built Nineveh, Rehoboth-Ir, Calah, 12 and Resen between Nineveh and Calah (this being the capital). (Genesis 10:8-12)
And just in case you’re still not sure that the Assyrian (Assyrian, now what does that tell you?) is the AC:
30 Yahweh will make His majestic voice ring out, He will show the weight of HIS ARM* (*who is the arm? see Isaiah 53) in the heat of His anger, with a devouring fire, with thunderbolt, downpour and hailstones. 31 Yes, at Yahweh’s voice the Assyrian will be terrified, He will strike him with His rod; 32 each time he goes by, will fall the punishing rod that Yahweh will lay on him, to the sound of tambourines and harps, in the battles which He will wage against him with uplifted hand. 33 Yes, Topheth* (*i.e. place of burning) has been ready for a long time now, that too is ready for the king* (* see Dan 11:36-39), deep and wide his pyre, fire and wood in plenty. Yahweh’s breath, like a stream of brimstone, will set fire to it. (Isaiah 30:30-33)
and:
4 Yes, this is what Yahweh has said to me: As a lion or lion cub growls over its prey, when scores of shepherds are summoned to drive it off, without being frightened by their shouting or cowed by the noise they make, just so will Yahweh of armies descend to fight on Mount Zion and on its heights… 8 The Assyria will fall by the sword, not that of a man, will be devoured by the sword, of no human being, he will flee before the sword and his young warriors will be enslaved. 9 In his terror he will abandon his rock, and his panic-stricken officers desert the standard — declares Yahweh, whose fire is in Zion, whose furnace, in Jerusalem. (Isaiah 31:4, 8-9)
Larry:
The Bible says what it says and it does talk about the AC being from the 4th kingdom. However your thoughts that the kingdom must be Islamic are your thoughts and not the Bibles.
Alex:
Things which point to a Muslim AC & Muslim kingdom:
21 I looked on as that horn made war with the holy ones and overcame them, (Daniel 7:21)
38 He will honor the god of fortresses* on his stand; he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly things, a god that his ancestors never knew. (Daniel 11:38) (*yes the AC DOES worship a god - a god of jihad!)
2 …and the hour will come when all who kill you will think that he offers an offering to God* (*only Muslims do this). 3 And they will do these things, because they do not know either my Father or me* (*again fits Islam which denies Sonship of Yeshua and the Quran even curses Christians for acknowledging it). (John 16:2-3)
4 And they worshipped* the dragon who gave authority to the beast and they worshipped* (*this word does not mean worship like worshipping a deity, it means reverence like bowing to a king) the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast and who is able to make war with him?*” (*this is not admiration, this is fear) (Revelation 13:4)
4 …And I saw the souls, those who were cut off because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God and those who did not worship the beast nor his image, neither received the mark on their foreheads or on their hands…* (*only Muslims do this) (Revelation 20:4)
Larry:
While I belive you present some good arguments for your case and I may even think that you are correct, these beliefs are not the Bible. You and I and others could be reading things wrong or we simply don’t have all of the facts about world players.
Alex:
I think that’s a major mistake - concentrating on “world players” and here’s why:
8 I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots: and behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things. (Daniel 7:8)
Look very carefully at the 1st half of this verse - the AC is described as a “little horn”, why? Why are the other 10 horns bigger than him? Not to mention that this “little horn” seems to spring up unexpectedly. The reason I believe is because the AC is not a well-known, hot-shot politician, he’s a rebel leader that pops up out of nowhere, and no one saw this coming.
Larry:
Though I don’t think Obama is the AC, he could be. We may say the same about others in the future. Whoever it is, will become clearer though I think in time, if he is on the scene.. But for sure at one point he will be revealed and the true believer will have to accept it.
Alex:
Do you think Christians in Benin or Suriname or Timor Leste are considering the possibility that Obama could be the AC? The Bible is not a American book and God is not an American. And once again I’ll quote Daniel 8:
8 Then the he-goat grew very great, but at the peak of his power his big horn was broken. In its place, four conspicuous horns sprouted toward the four winds of heaven. 9 From one of them emerged a small horn, which extended itself greatly toward the south, toward the east, and toward the beautiful land. 21 and the buck, the he-goat — the king of Greece; and the large horn on his forehead, that is the first king. 22 One was broken and four came in its stead — that [means]: four kingdoms will arise out of a nation, but without its power. 23 When their kingdoms are at an end, when the measure of transgression has been filled, then a king will arise, impudent and versed in intrigue. (Daniel 8:8-9, 8:21-23)
This passage is emphatic, the AC comes out of one the divisions of Alex the Great’s kingdom which did not include anything west of the Greek mainland, so there’s your proof and it’s indisputable, and I challenge you to prove otherwise.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
c.alt,
It says that he will be a “king” from the ME.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
WHEW!!! Obama pick Rahm Emmanuel as his chief of staff who happens to be an Orthodox Jew! I sure I will intensley dislike Obama’s policies but this fairs well for the Nation of Israel if his COS is a devout Jew. This means that Obama will be fair to Israel. At least that is how I percieve it.
November 6th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
nancy,
Again, you are missing my point. There is the subjective realm of personal revelation (your dream) and then there Scripture. The two are not equal in terms of authority or objectivity. God may speak in riddles at times but he does not make His word impossible to understand. By focusing on the difficult, I thing you are blurring the clarity of the various passages that I have spoken of whcih make it, I think quite clear that Obama does not meet the Biblical criteria to be the AC.
Bless You, Joel
November 6th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Joel,
I’m not arguing with your reasoning. I think it’s not bad reasoning, I’m just saying our reasoning is not the Word of God.
1. The Ac will come out of the fourth Empire of Daniel 2 & 7
that’s fine.
2. We know the identification of the fourth empire because of the Biblical criteria that it would crush The Babylonian, the Medo-Persian and the Greek Empires.
We think we know not everybody interprets this to be the Islamic one. EVen after hearing your arguments for this I think there is room for other possibilities.
3. No empire in history accomplished this apart from the Islamic Empire.
Again opinion not everyone agrees on this, though as I said you do make a good case.
4. The Islamic Empire does not include the United States.
This is based on your other thoughts that it must be the islamic empire. Maybe Obama is part of the Islamic empire also? Though I doubt it.
Beyond this, the Bible also tells us that the AC would be “The Assyrian”.
This could mean several things.
Again I’m not saying you are necessarily wrong I am just saying these are interpretations and we need to be careful about confusing that with the word of God. I will be looking at the ME and Islam for the AC but I will not dismiss out of hand other candidates.
I do thank you for all of your thoughts and time on this. Let me say I also appreciate this site and everyone here very much.
Larry
November 6th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Check JR Church’s Thursday broadcast at prophecyinthenews.com concerning a “possible” indication that Obama could be the AC.
November 6th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Paolo Says:
….And he could WELL BE THE ROOSEVELT of World War THREE and perhaps the TRUMAN TOO…
I LIKE YOUR THINKING!!
Roosevelt ignored what was happening in Europe for too long, refused to help the Jews escape Hitler’s clutches EVEN WITH an offer from Hitler himself to take the Jews out of Germany, and entered WWII only after the war came to our shores.
Obama may well do the same thing with the only difference being middle-eastern muslims filling the Hitler role.
Good thinking, Paolo!
November 6th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
yes the ac will come from the ME but what was said about micah 5 knock me out. the man who is the peace will not be the ac but JESUS who delivers isreal from the assyrian. read the whole chapter they will reclaim the land god gave to abraham. here is a new one for you i am convinced that we have just a three and a half tribulation, gc
November 6th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
yes the ac will come from the ME but what was said about micah 5 knock me out. the man who is the peace will not be the ac but JESUS who delivers isreal from the assyrian. read the whole chapter they will reclaim the land god gave to abraham. here is a new one for you i am convinced that we have just a three and a half yearsoftribulation, gc
November 7th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Well, as usual I am having a hard time posting here. But I invite all to my comments in the Discussion about “More Thoughts on Obama.”
I am a convinced Islamic AC guy, and have been since it occurred/was revealed to me a couple of years ago. That does not necessarily preclude Obama. True, he is not Assyrian. But the Bible also calls the AC Turkish (”Gog”), Egyptian (”Pharaoh”), and Iraqi (”King of Babylon”). So there is a reasonable argument that the common trait of these areas, Islamic religion, is the only prerequisite; i.e., Mahdi need only be a Muslim who joins them all.
Obama’s mysterious past, long associations and funding by Muslims and Leftists (like Tony Resco, whom MI6 labels a former Syrian intell agent), and personality should cause us all to say, at the least, “Probably not, but it bears checking.”
As for me, the particularities of his name and style have me watching him very closely. He launched his Presidential run from the Throne of Satan, and the biggest U.S. embassy by far in the world awaits him in Iraq. There is just too much for me to airily dismiss the possibility.
November 7th, 2008 at 1:34 am
When I first heard people relating “O” to the AC, I thought ‘How ridiculous’!
So I set out to show how it simply can’t be.
That was 2 days ago, and I am leaning more toward the possibility that maybe - just maybe - its possible.
I picked the following up online & copy and paste for your consideration:
Is Barack Obama the “promised warrior” coming to help the Hidden Imam of Shiite Muslims conquer the world?
The question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam.
According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet’s cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a “tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West.” Commanding “the strongest army on earth,” the new ruler in the West will carry “a clear sign” from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: “Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us.”
In a curious coincidence Obama’s first and second names–Barack Hussein–mean “the blessing of Hussein” in Arabic and Persian. His family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means “he is with us,” the magic formula in Majlisi’s tradition.
In Luke 10:18 Jesus states,
“I beheld Satan as Lightning fall from Heaven.”
How does a Jewish Rabbi, which Jesus is credited with being (John 1:38), say in HEBREW, that Satan is like LIGHTNING from heaven?
Barack, also transliterated as Baraq in Hebrew, is LIGHTNING (Strongs Hebrew word 1300). Even in Greek, Barak is LIGHTNING (Strongs Greek word 913) for the name of a person!
The ONLY WAY, a Jewish Rabbi can say in Hebrew that SATAN is LIGHTNING is, SATAN BARACK!
Interestingly, the “Greek” verse of Luke 10:18 does not contain an actual Greek word to translate into “Fall”. The Greek word translated as “Fall” appears to be a rare form of a Hebrew word for “transgressions”. So, the words of Jesus in this verse probably refer to heavenly transgressions.
In Hebrew poetry from the dominant book that the New Testament draws upon, to validate the “works” of Jesus as “proof” of poetic prophecy, the use of BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “heights” of heaven. That book is Isaiah. Christian scholars would agree, that much of the New Testament refers directly to passages of Isaiah’s poetry.
Isaiah is also the source of origin for the Christian concept of “Satan” or “Lucifer” Isaiah 14:12.
In the verses of Isaiah that refer directly to “Lucifer” in King James translations of Isaiah, sure enough, BAMA (Strongs Hebrew word 1116) is used to refer to the “Heights” of Heaven (Isaiah 14:14)!
In Hebrew, the letter vau is transliterated as an “O” or “U”. It is primarily used as a conjunction to join concepts together. So, to “join” in Hebrew poetry the concept of lightning (Barack) and a high place like heaven or the “Heights of Heaven”, the letter “O” or Hebrew vau would be used. Bama is most commonly used to refer to a high sacred place, as well as to the “Heights” of the heavens or clouds.
So, Barack O Bama in Hebrew poetry, similar to the style of Isaiah, would translate literally as Lightning and the “Heights” of the sky or heaven!
Satan is Satan in Hebrew. So the Jesus “Prophecy” of Luke 10:18, if spoken actually by a Jewish Rabbi influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, would have said the verse Luke 10:18 as ;
Satan Barack O Bama
That would be Hebrew for Satan is Lightning (Barack) and the heights (BAMA) of heaven or the sky.
Since the oldest copy of Luke 10:18 is recorded in Greek, the only word we need to add, is the incorrectly translated word for a “fall”. Thus far, Christian scholars claim the word translated as “fall” is Strongs Greek 4098, Pipto. In Luke 10:18, in GREEK, Pipto is not used. The word is pesouta. This is probably a Greek phonetic usage of the Hebrew word. Like Satan is Hebrew and translated phonetically as a Hebrew word, it seems pesouta, a Hebrew word, was not correctly translated, since a Greek word NOT IN THE GREEK TEXT for “fall” is credited by scholars as being in the Satan is Barack (Lightning) verse.
The Hebrew root of pesouta is a word normally used to refer to a “transgression” or a sin.
Pesa (Strongs Hebrew word 6588) refers to a revolt, rebellion or sin, a “transgression”. This is the exact concept normally associated with “Satan” in Christian theology.
So, Luke 10:18 is correctly translated as;
“Satan is like Lightning (Barack) and the Highest (Bama) heavenly rebellion/sin/transgression!!
While Christians consider “Sin” a humanly “fall” from Grace, the Greek word for a “fall” is not used in Luke 10:18.
Interestingly, we now have a political leader on the threshold of obtaining control of the largest arsenal of NUCLEAR WARHEADS on this planet!
If you were SATAN, or Barack (Hebrew for Lightning), what army would you try to take control of, so you could unleash 10,000 NUKES upon mankind and DESTROY what he hates (Humanity)?
That army, is the army of the United States of America!
Interestingly, another world figure named Barack, is already in control of over 100 NUKES! The minister of Defense of Israel is named Barack!
The New Testament records Jesus saying LIGHTNING, or Barack in Hebrew, only three times! Luke 10:18 is clear. SATAN is BARACK or Lightning!
In Matthew 24:27, Jesus explains how his “coming” will be connected to LIGHTNING (Barack)!
Matt 24:27
“For as the Lightning (Barack) cometh out of the east and shineth unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be!”
The Greek word translated as “For” in this verse is gar (Strongs Greek word 1063). This word can also be translated as SEEING or WHEN. So seeing Barack or when Barack comes from the east and shines unto the west is a TIMING EVENT for the “Coming of Jesus”!
Barack Obama grew up in the “East”, in the country of Indonesia! His political career is now about to shine upon the West, the United States!
Can it be, the “Coming of the Son of Man” is nigh?
According to New Testament verses, Lightning or Barack is SATAN and his travels from the East in Indonesia to his accession to the throne of power in the West, the United States, signals the “Coming of the Son of Man”!
In Luke 17:24, Jesus once again uses Lightning (Barack aka SATAN) for a timing prophecy of his “Coming”!
Once again, the Greek word gar (Strongs Greek word 1063) is translated as “for”. However, it is also “seeing” or “when”. So, Luke 17:24 can also be read as:
“Seeing/when lightning (Barack) comes out of Heaven… so shall also the Son of man be in his day!”
So, Jesus used Lightning (Barack in Hebrew) to literally describe SATAN! He then tied his “Coming” to the appearance of “Barack” or Lightning aka SATAN! Many political pundits describe the charisma of Barack Obama as “Messianic”! Perhaps they should read their Bibles closer and see it is really SATANIC CONTROL!
Daniel 11:23 says the Antichrist will become strong with the help of the minorities.
Verse 24 says he will “Spread the wealth”
More coming as we delve into this interesting topic…
November 7th, 2008 at 2:10 am
Like I said, bears watching. Who would have believed the son of an Israeli would be White House Chief of Staff?
This is an excellent article from 2006. It`s lengthy, but it has the most information about him I`ve found so far on the web. I`m surprised at some of the things he`s supported. Obama could play golf all day and this guy would get things done. [warning:in one quote by Paul Begala, there`s blasphemy.]
Rahm Emanuel, Pitbull politician
http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/17/magazines/fortune/politics.fortune/index.htm
Former President Clinton told FORTUNE he considers Emanuel “one of the top political minds in Washington,” a strategist who “favors the counterattack over the attack.” Clinton adds: “His politics are rooted in new ideas and old-fashioned values.” Former Bush economic advisor Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who, as Congressional Budget Office director, worked with Emanuel, calls him the “real deal.” (Like Rostenkowski, Emanuel has a seat on the powerful Ways and Means Committee.)
Skip
After a six-week battle, he recovered, losing half his finger to the infection but gaining a new sense of seriousness and purpose. “He has one of the strongest survival instincts I’ve ever seen,” says longtime friend Mary Leslie, who attributes that inner reserve to his Israeli roots. His father, Benjamin, was born in Jerusalem, the son of pharmacists who had escaped the Russian pogroms. In the 1940s Benjamin Emanuel interrupted his medical school training in Switzerland to take part in an unsuccessful scheme to smuggle guns from Czechoslovakia to the Israeli underground. He later served as a medic in the 1948 Israeli war of independence. (Rahm would echo his father’s dedication during the Gulf war: With Iraqi Scuds falling on his father’s home country, he volunteered for military-vehicle-maintenance duty near the Lebanese border.)
November 7th, 2008 at 5:22 am
I have read some comments here about the AC being from the middle East and the Islamic beast etc etc. I agree with this but the way that some of these comments have been made sound very arogant and condescending. Don’t forget it wasn’t so long ago when most if not all of us held to the position of a european AC and global government (also in Northern Ireland where I live we have just finished fighting a 30+ year war where most of the protestant community believed that they where fighting against the catholics because we belived that the AC was the Pope). For some people it will always take longer than others to see some things. So I believe that we should continue teaching these things like Joel and Walid etc and let God do the rest instead of brow beating people by arogant speech. If I have misinterpreted some of the posted which sounded arogant to me then I am sorry.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Larry,
I hear what you are saying and agree with you somewhat as to the idea that it is opinion. And please know that I never rule anything out entirely.
Blessings, Joel
November 7th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Thanks Joel. I really hear what you are saying too. Though I really don’t think Obama could be the AC, I just can’t shake the feeling that something about him is very very bad and I mean more than I just disagree with him politically.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:14 am
I will state that I don’t think Obama is the biblical AC but he definitely has a strong antichrist spirit (1 John). I was struck, especially on election day, with several sound bytes of rallies that I heard. One of the final things said was “who will save america” - crowd shouts obama obama - “who will save the entire world” - crowd shouts obama obama. I was really struck with how the hearts of so many in the US have turned and seem to be longing to the AC in a way I’ve never seen before. That has truly made my heart tremble these last few days.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Curious,
Well done.
Romans 16:25
Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him- to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Curious,
Very interesting information.
And Larry Amon, I feel THE SAME way you do about BHO.. I keep trying to tell myself that ” well maybe he won’t be so bad.. ” but then I feel a sensation that blankets my heart.. something is telling me to be aware
November 7th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Our family joined another Christian family to watch the election results. Our friend is a homeschooler and used the event as a teachable moment. We all “voted” in their makeshift booth as we walked in their home, which was decorated with American flags, etc… My friend had displayed a large map of the U.S. on the wall with red/blue/purple stars in each state reflecting the projections based on past elections and polls. As each state was called on Fox News, they colored in the state with a blue or red crayon. Plus, they kept track of the Senate & House races, as well. It was a fun and educational way to celebrate our unique democracy.
However, tears flowed when Senator McCain conceded. His words and demeanor shouted integrity and honor, in my opinion. Of course, as parents, you always want to reassure your children, so, as they literally cried, we reminded them that God is in control and there is a kingdom purpose involved here that we just can’t forsee right now, but that we need to pray for our country and our new President.
However, in my personal thoughts, all I could think was this: Has America asked for a “king” as did the Israelites in Samuel? And, like many of the comments above, I felt a great dread come over me. I also recommend the article from GG (God Girl) from 2004 where Obama denies Christ in his own words - lengthy, but well worth the read. He clearly does not understand what it means to be a follower of Christ - perhaps due to his hate-filled mentor? He seems to want to identify with Christianity, maybe just for political reasons, but doesn’t want to rule out other ways to reach God and go to heaven. He even carries around some kind of monkey-god idol in his pocket for good luck - yikes! I, for one, cannot even listen to President-Elect Obama (oh, that’s still difficult to say) speak without getting this feeling that I should turn him off. At first, I thought it was just because I didn’t like what he was saying, his polices, etc… But, it’s more than that - kind of a creepy feeling. Is anyone else experiencing this?
I, too, wondered about his origin and his father being Kenyan, if, by chance, there was an ancestory in his line of Assyrian? But, then, I read Mr. Silva’s article about the plains of Nineveh and the orthodox Christians in Northern Iraq and how close that all is to Babylon. I thought it interesting that Mr. Silva mentions that the AC would not have the honor of coming from a kingdom, which is currently the fate of Assyria, who would like to break off from Iraq and become their own country. Mr. Biden seems to be a strong propenent of this happening. Although these people have remained intact, which is incredible, what seems to really be a miracle is that they are Christians, which is amazing for that part of the world. However, they are being persecuted like crazy right now by radical Islam and some are converting in order to not be killed - yikes! There is a verse that talks about the AC not honoring the religion of his fathers (paraphrasing - sorry) - well, if that is Christianity, which is a uniqueness found in Assyrians, it may mean that he is a convert to Islam, which seems to fit?
This is somewhat new to me as for years, I have always believed in the EU/Roman version, but I’m coming around to this school of thought when considering the legions who burned the Temple were actually Assyrians from the Roman empire.
Here’s a thought I had recently and would enjoy feedback on: Could Obama be a “forerunner” like John the Baptist was with Christ? Someone who will pave the way, get everyone warmed up, and introduce him on the world stage? I mean, doesn’t Satan want to copy everything about Jesus’ first coming? If so, he’ll need a false “John the Baptist”, right?
November 7th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Gidget,
I too have experienced that creepy feeling while watching Obama on TV. I get mezmerized while watching him and also a “something is not right” feeling at the same time. It is alot more than the bad feeling I got while watching other politicians that I do not agree with. This is different in that I WANT to watch him but also know that I should not pay so much attention to him as well. My husband and I were ready to vote for him before the primaries. We knew nothing about him then of course. It seems all too easy to be sucked into his sphere or influence. I have no dilusions that although I love God I am not above deception. I have been praying that the Lord would keep me and my family from that.
Also, I had metnioned on another post about my thinking of him as a forerunner. Here are my thoughts..The whole world loves him. The world wants him as their president. Can you imagine another person coming on the world scene that is more beloved than Obama? I never imagined it to be like this with Obama but also realloy can’t see the world loving another leader more than Obama while he is still around. So, unless he messes up big time or something else happens to him i just can’t see a more worshipped by the masses person.
Diana
November 7th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I can’t listen to Obama the way I would other politicians I dislike. I think at the very least he is probably some type of forerunner.
November 7th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
One of the signs which we must remember is that the Jewish temple has not been rebuilt in Jerusalem. Actually there is a big Mosque in the way. Though know this the Jews are ready to role on the rebuild, they have gold and money saved ready to rebuild it when the location opens up. I look at this a a sign. Remember how the anti-christ will set up the obmination in the temple. Has to be a temple there…
But remember that Jesus will return 7 years after the Anti-Christ is revealed. I believe that we still have 10+ years till we see the Anti-Christ come to power. And I have a feeling we have not even seen him yet. Just a guess.
We cannot do anything more then look at the signs of the times.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
The whole sinful world loves Obama..and some of us try to get along.. so watch yoursef.
I got the same feeling. listening to obama makes me believe he is not that bad and made me think that those accusation against him were exxageration.. we better be careful
November 7th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I’ve always thought the return of Christ might take place on 2018 because that is Israel’s 70th birthday, but then Mark Biltz came out with his info on the blood red moon, so who knows.
November 7th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Joseph,
“…For we are the temple of the living GOD” 2 Cor 6:16
“Don’t you know that you yourselves are GOD’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you? If any one destroys GOD’s temple, GOD will destroy him;
for GOD’s temple is sacred, and you are that temple.” 1 Cor 3:16-17
Just something to think about…
Maybe Satan will enter a Human Body….
November 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Nancy,
I have thought along those lines before. the temple… So interesting..
Jie4him, exactly, I understand what you mean!
November 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
NO one responded to my email—I feel left out!! Does anyone know the school of thought where the “two eagles” in the book of Revelations points to a country coming out of ENGLAND/lion and it being the USA ?? BEcause that changes everything… it sheds a completely different light on the whoel book of Revelations and Daniel…etc it shows different position of countries and what they USED to be called where they used to be located geographically…etc.. If you understand this you’ll understand what I mean by it completely putting a different twist on it all.
But also, everyone keeps saying Barack Obama is an African/American but he really ISN’T…he is half white(east or west European probably I think his mother was Italian) and 44%ARAB or Persian–I dont know the exactness of where his father is from…and only 6% African. Just a tip, when you look up Arab names they ALL have a “positive” meaning unlike English or Latin where there is a true ROOT to a name and it is what it is good or bad meaning. They dont go to the ROOT of the meaning of the word…and you’ll notice ALOT of their names mean “blessed” or beautiful…etc.So it doesnt mean anything if it is positive you cant go by their meanings for names, they trick you. I’m sure alot of the 9/11 terrorist had positive meanings to their names.
According to Kamal Saleem/ex-terrorist he says the demonic arch-angel’s name that ministered to Muhammed himself 1500 years ago was none other than BARACK. Muhammed was a false prophet and the Mahdi is the coming Islamic Messiah or I guess Allah or Allah’s son.???
DREAM: (Joel what do you think?) I had a dream a couple of days before Obama was elected and I saw him on a podium, he was larger in life with his head extra big and his arms extra long. In front of him was a crowd of people, normal people all dressed in red, red shirts, red dresses…but they were holding a large EAGLE. And behind Obama’s stage was a large crowd of people all dressed in very dark blue cloaks with hoods…their faces were black (not as in race but dark as in demonic–they looked like grim reapers to be specific) Obama suddenly thrusts his arms into the crowd wearing red and grabs the eagle from them and turns around and throws it into the crowd in dark blue/grim reaper people….the eagle dissolves and disappears into the blue crowd and the dream was over.
Grim reapers…could this have anything to do with the one called DEATH??
All I know is I agree with Larry, it is so hard to put absolutes on these prophecies and it is important to stay humble b/c what we see one way -God could mean another.
All I know is when someone is very evil I cant look at their faces and I literally get sick at my stomach and this is how it is with OBama. I think he’ll be seen as a peace maker to all nations and whether he solves crises or not he will be seen as “the solver of all problems”. The world is mezmerized by him. Not me.
Does anyone know about the Hebrew Bible code and their latest program on Christian tv where they put in Armageddon in the computer code and it comes up with a date of itbeginning in December 2012 ?? JH (hope someone will answer–ha–thanks–jh
November 7th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
JH,
Sorry, i have no answers for you but felt you deserved a response so i will try to pull you into all of the conversations!!
Diana
November 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
JH,
Can you give us more info regarding your theory (2 eagles)…maybe a book or web site?
November 8th, 2008 at 2:57 am
There is a possibility that the temple so often mentioned in which the Antichrist will sit, is actually the Dome of the Rock mosque. The word “temple” doesn’t necessarily mean the Jewish Temple, it can also mean a pagan temple. If the Antichrist is Muslim, which I think he is, he can very well sit “as God in the temple of God” like the Bible says, that is in the Dome of the Rock or in front of the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount just like God sits in His Temple in heaven. I think this is more probable, because Messiah will build the actual Temple when He comes. The ‘daily sacrifice’ that Daniel mentions could very well be the daily prayers the Jews pray at the Western Wall. Just my opinion.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am
I also have that uneasy feeling about Obama and I still do not trust him.
Jesus said to not be deceived by any man. I think we all are on guard.
It really does appear that we are in the last days as told in the Bible.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:46 am
My wife and I are having the same problem. We can’t even stomach to look at him or listen to him. Every time I see him or hear him all I can think is EVIL. He just does not have what it takes to lead our nation!
November 8th, 2008 at 10:25 am
The temple will be rebuilt, I believe. But it could happen at anytime with the right series of events.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Joel could this be? “The Biblical criteria as defined in Daniel is the Islamic / Ottoman empire that crushed all of the others.” Barack Obama is from the Islamic / Ottoman empire. His father is a Kenyan,His father is from the Islamic / Ottoman empire. Barack Obama is the Islamic / Ottoman empire?
November 8th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Joel, I hope you are correct in your asessment of Obama. I have heard the call to prayer also and it is beautiful from an exotic, for me, cultural viewpoint. I have to wonder though, with Obama being so allowing as to the way he is adored, would he succumb to islam telling him he could be adored by 1.5 billion muslims ? I would think the temptation for him might be irresistable. He is just a man, after all.
Radar on.
God Bless You
David
November 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
PS. Just say no to spell check
David
November 8th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
There can be no temple…Messiah builds the temple, Zechariah is clear about this…we are the temple. The temple in reference is a “pagan shrine” and NOT YHWH’s Millennial temple.
Barack Obama IS not the AC, rather will be appeasing him (Syria) this year. Every nation that is SPECIFICALLY mentioned submitting to AC is Islamic without exception and America (part of Northern Kingdom scattered) will be beaten into relative unity with the southern Kingdom (Judah) as AC “attacks the mightiest fortresses” with help from haSatan and the fallen angels during the 42 months proceeding Messiah’s 2nd coming (Great Trib). After Damascus (land to the north, northern, or northward) is destroyed the willful king of the north\damascus will be embraced IN Palestine because of his support for “the descendants of Lot” Ammonites & Moabites (Palestinians) just as Daniel 11 and Psalms 83 states saying “Assyria has helped the descendants of Lot” = Palestinian State, Division of J’ville and West Bank…Syria calls the shots in ALL of these negotiations…again ALL, without exception.
The idea that someone already in power “becomes” the AC is foreign to the scriptures and contrary to the way prophecy works. Prophets of YHWH are revealed things BEFORE…not afterward.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
JH,
Eagle? I JUST read a prophetic “Eagle Dream.” Please look @ this link:
“The Eagle and the Serpents ”
http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_52.php
November 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Late Night Lisa,
Wow…the fact that he refused to interpret was impressive to me.(regarding the snake)….does this guy have a tract record?…or do you know?
November 8th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Larry, Joel, Diana–Inreference to the eagles, in Revelations it talks about the European eagle and the one that comes out of it, which would be ref. to England and America and the world banking system which actually makes sense and kind of has already happened. But there is I guy on TBN teaching this and I will look for him again and take notes this time.
NEW THOUGHTS: (1) In reference to King of Assyria–in the old days they were ALL called kings and now most are being called presidents…like the President of Syria or Pres. of Iran. SO King and President would be the same…so he could be called President. But the Assyrian region I think used to be part what is now Syria and part of Iraq and Turkey–I dont think there is a country named Assyria, right? So the king or president would have to be the Assyrian “region”, right? (2) The AntiChrist SPIRIT began with Ishmael, the spirit of jealousy and hatred and has continued through the beginning of Islam and Muhammed up to today. Muhammed and ALLAH certainly have the AC Spirit. BUt the SPIRIT of the AntiChrist is definitely already here and has SAT DOWN IN THE TEMPLE–the Islamic mosque built on the temple mount in Jerusalem. Will there actually be a PERSON or is it just the AC Spirit that is already there?? I wonder…I honestly dont know. And will there be a Jewish temple built or is this one already there what the Bible is talking about (3) I think when we look at Revelations and Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel…etc… I think we all might be getting a very important think confused and that is there are separate times for the TRIBULATION, ARMAGEDDON, the SECOND COMING and the END TIME BATTLE…all separate events. I think our details might be getting crossed over into the one another. All I know is the END TIME BATTLE doesnt begin any time soon (go to the end of Revelations) I think it begins after Jesus has come back the 2nd time and reigned WITHOUT Satan for 1000 years and then Satan is unleashed to reign again for 1000 years…where he is then irradicated completely from existence…gone forever, Jesus destroys him in the End TIme Battle. BUT that is that a separate thing from Armageddon, right??? Doesnt Armageddon begin after the Tribulation?? If so, that would make it separate event from the END TIME BATTLE which is 2000 years away after Jesus comes at the 2nd coming. And the Tribulation and Armageddon are very soon. So, are Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaish… talking about the Tribulation, Armageddon or the End Time Battle?? Revelations doesnt really get into the End Time Battle but mentions it at the end. Any thoughts…or is it me confused?? thanks –jh
November 8th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
IMPORTANT: if you haven’t read the blog by CURIOUS from Nov. 7, 2008 please read this research(before it is deleted_–I think we are all in for a rude awakening with Obama. This is scary stuff. God help us all. jh
November 9th, 2008 at 12:12 am
How do you find this?
“IMPORTANT: if you haven’t read the blog by CURIOUS from Nov. 7, 2008 please read this research(before it is deleted_–I think we are all in for a rude awakening with Obama. This is scary stuff. God help us all. jh”
November 9th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Edward - The post jh was talking about is on this page.
Just scroll up until you get to the post dated November 7.
In addition to my previous post, I would like to add the following:
Hosea 13:11 - I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took [him] away in my wrath.
What is the media reporting on this man?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUYOLsweysc
Spike Lee says time will be measured BB & AB (Before Barack, and After Barack)
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
People falling under his power? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndl57E7UJno
Fox News – The child, The Messiah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drwfnGlF_E
Chris Matthews gets chills up his leg when Obama speaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhnynk6XkkU
He does remind me of someone:
http://octaman.com/comments/MalcolmO.html
November 11th, 2008 at 1:42 am
I’ve done about all the reading I can stand on the subject, and must conclude with this:
I do not agree with many of the views of the president Elect, but he falls well short of the man of perdition.
The copy & paste I did in the post from 11/7 is closer to grasping at straws than based on fact. Here’s why:
In Luke 10:18 Jesus states,
“I beheld Satan as Lightning fall from Heaven.”
Yes, “Lightning” is Baraq in Hebrew.
That’s where the similarities end.
In order to get the word “Bamah” in there, the original author of this piece had to go to Isaiah 14:14 where Satan said “I will ascend to the HEIGHT of Heaven”.
He then substituted the word “Height” for Heaven in Luke to get “Baraq Bamah”, then interjected the “O” as a conjuction.
This is pretty much twisting the scripture to make it fit.
I believe the similarities, the news articles, etc. are all marks of deception.
There will be many antichrists, but in the end there will only be one that fits the description perfectly, and ‘O’ aint the one.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
(Curious: where did you get the research of the Hebrew meaning of Barack Obama? ) Just another thought: I mentioned this before, according to ex-Muslim/terrorist now born again Christian-Kamal Saleem…the (demonic)arch angel that ministered directly to Muhammed himself-it’s name was “Barack”. He says it is in the Koran. Dont know if the spelling is the same. Muhammed was a false prophet, right?. Could Obama be the “false prophet” spoken of in prophecy?? The false prophet is not the same as the Anti-christ, right? All I know is Obama is some kind of player from Revelations, he is just too controlling. When we think we have it all figured out, Godwill come and change our outlook on things. Prophecy is tough to understand until it is already passed, but I think we should be “on guard” and stay looking UP, prepared for the Lord’s coming. God bless
January 24th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Hi everyone,
I am a Christian, and I have been reading the bible and I have concerns about Barak Obama. It doesn’t matter if he is muslim or what he is.
I am white and love black people. I am not racist and it is good to see a black president.
But considering the other part I can see why people would think he is the ac.
Some things don’t sit right. Things he says etc. he’s all for abortion,
and yet he claims he is a Christian.
We really need to keep our eyes on Jesus, we can put too much emphasis on who the ac is. Time will tell. and even then As we know God’s bigger than him, anyway. I do believe we are in the beginning of the tribulation. If we are not careful we will be so busy watching the president for signs we’ll miss Jesus.
We will soon know who he really is anyway, the peace treaty in Israel, pushing the microchip, demanding we worship him, Bless you all.