Interview with Umar Lee
Umar Lee is a convert to Islam from the Washington D.C. Area. The following interview appears on Umar’s blog and will also appear in the Muslim Link, a Washington D.C. area Muslim newspaper. I told Umar that I would allow him to respond and have the last word. As such, he has inserted a few of his own comments. They are in bold. Below is the interview as it appears on Umar’s Blog:
Umar: Joel, Thanks for the interview. The questions are below following my opening statement.
I have not read your book so I am not going to make any judgments on it. It has created some interest and in your blog you seem to be dedicated to hyping the threat that Islam and Muslims pose. Of course, as an American-Muslim, this is disturbing to me. The average everyday Muslim has to carry the weight of these sorts of anti-Muslim campaigns on their shoulders in their daily lives. The Muslim child in school has to sit in a classroom being shunned by fellow students and maybe even treated poorly by their teachers, the Muslim job-seeker gets passed over for a job, the Muslim business-owner loses business because of their religion, etc. . You may say that this is not your intention, and that you would not encourage such ill-treatment of Muslims, but the practical effect of what you and others like you do creates a climate that leads to discrimination against Muslims.
Below are a few questions I would like to ask you.
Question 1:
You point to 23 who have left the “horrors” of growing up Muslim. Yet, right here in America, there are many hundreds of thousands including me who grew-up in the church and have left for Islam (Praise be to God). I for one grew-up in the Baptist Church and was baptized at the age of 11 after being “born again”. However, I left the church due to my inability to accept the trinity, the divinity of a man, and other teachings along with the social realities of Christianity in America particularly as it related to race, war, and poverty. People like me openly left Christianity and were blessed to be guided to Islam; but many millions more have not converted they have simply left the church and we see today that Christianity is far from the dominant culture in American life and is little more than a sub-culture with little effect on the popular culture. So, my question for you is, why have the hundreds of thousands like me left Christianity for Islam, and why have millions more left Christianity for secularism?
First of all, thank you Umar very much for the opportunity to do this interview. I hope that through discussing Why We Left Islam: Former Muslims Speak Out, many Muslims will join the fight for human rights and human freedoms even if it means taking the very difficult position of challenging many of the tenants of their own religion.
You’ve certainly begun with quite a loaded and accusatory intro. Certainly such a beginning will do nothing to build bridges of understanding or promote your cause. For now, I will do my best to ignore any overly assumptive or accusatory questions.
I do need to clarify one issue before beginning however. Criticism of Islam is certainly not “Muslim-Hatred” anymore than criticizing Communism is Russian Hatred or criticizing American foreign policy would equal American hatred. ( UL: I agree 100%, but I hear hate in the voices and tone of many towards Muslims and if you do not accept this go to the message boards of Little Green Footballs or Jihadwatch and tell me how much Christian “love” you see). And I’m not sure how you could make such a roundly illogical leap. To criticize Islam and its various evil practices and teachings most certainly should not be misinterpreted to mean that I in any way hate Muslims. A Proverb of Solomon teaches us that, “Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.” (Proverbs 27:6) In other words, because I genuinely care about and love Muslims, I am obligated to speak the truth to you about that which is destroying your soul and your community. It is those who only speak flattery that you should be leery of.
Regarding your comments about discrimination that Muslims may face in the U.S., let me say this: I’ve learned a long time ago that wherever you go, there are good people and there are bad people. However, I think you will agree that America is one of the most welcoming and tolerant nations in the world, and as a result, discrimination against Muslims in the United States is negligible. ( UL: I agree America has historically been welcoming to immigrants but you have to agree there is a huge anti-immigrant tide at this moment and much of it has to do with not wanting more Muslims coming here). But of course, if we are to compare the treatment of Muslims in the U.S. with the general treatment of Christians in virtually every Muslim dominated country in the world, there really can be no comparison. Americans clearly possess the moral high ground here. I could sight to you daily examples of Christians being murdered simply for being Christians throughout the Muslim world today. ( UL: Article on Palestinian Christians) You will find no such news in the U.S. regarding Muslims. This is not the kind of people that Americans are. However, if some Muslims do experience occasional suspicion and fear, would you be more apt to blame individuals like myself for criticizing Islam and standing for human rights or would you be more apt to blame your fellow Muslims such as the 9-11 bombers, the London Tube bombers, Osama Bin Laden, Hasan Nasrallah, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for such suspicions? Because I can assure you that it is these that have done the Muslims community far more damage than any critic of Islam ever could. As for the emphasis of my blog, and my other writings, if you had actually read them, you would see that despite the warnings that I very rightfully express concerning Islam, I take great pains to emphasize that as Christians, we are to treat Muslims (whether they are more radical or more liberal) with as much love and Christ-likeness as possible. I just finished a weekend of seminars in Maryland and Virginia. One of the attendees just posted this comment on my blog:
Thank you so much for coming to Salisbury, Maryland. As I drove away, I realized that I did not harbor that hatred for Muslims that I came there with. I had looked at every Muslim with the thought that each one was a terrorist and I have found a new love for my Muslim brothers and sisters! I thank you for the work that you do to educate those of us who are not familiar with Islam. May God continue to bless you and your family…
Now, my question to you Umar is this; when was the last time that you left the Masjid and were moved by a deep and growing love for Christians or Americans or Buddhists or any non-Muslims due to the message that you heard? (UL. As I am an American, my family is American, and as Imam Siraj Wahhaj once stated ” how can I hate America? Everyone I love is an American” so I leave the masjid all the time with this feeling) So I most certainly do not apologize for warning people about the threat that Islam represents to the non-Muslim world, nor do I have to apologize for preaching that we as Christians love Muslims despite the many evils of the religion that they follow and are blinded by.
Now, finally to your question regarding why some people leave Christianity. You have already partially answered your own question of course, with your own personal account of leaving Christianity. But to more fully answer your question, I would have to simply refer to the words of Jesus the Messiah who said,
“This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.” (John 3:19-21) ( UL: see this link for a counterpoint)
Question 2:
When you say that you have 23 who left Islam and I have not read the book there are some questions about these people I would like to ask. Were these 23 people devout practicing Muslims? Did they ever truly believe? Were they well-versed in the sciences and theology of Islam or did they simply have Muslim names and grew-up in Muslim lands? Or were these just 23 people who always had a very loose relationship with religion and who may have been upset at some of the cultural practices in their societies practiced by Muslims that are not necessarily rooted in Islam? From my perspective I know of many people I grew up with in devout Catholic and Protestant homes who were once true believers who left the church and these are people I see as having left Christianity. Those who just have Christian names and family roots in the church who do not identify themselves as Christians I do not see as having left Christianity because they were never a part of it.
Why We Left Islam: Former Muslims Speak Out represents a great variety of stories. Some of those who left Islam were indeed very devout Muslims. Others were less religious. Most grew up in Muslim nations and were educated in Islam from childhood. Having personally been involved in Christian-Muslim interfaith dialogue for many years, I have seen people from every strata leave Islam. Please do not deceive yourself into believing that no truly devout Muslims ever leave Islam. ( UL: It does happen, and may Allah protect us from this evil, but it is rare and many times more rare than those who leave the church). It happens all the time. And the same can certainly be said for Christianity. But there are many distinctions between Christian versus Muslim converts that should be highlighted. Of course, the most obvious issue is the fact that when a Christian leaves his faith, he or she never has to worry about being murdered for apostasy. ( UL: This has not been historically the case and is only the case now because Christianity as a faith is weak and the governments of Christian lands are ruled by secularism) Yet among Muslims this is a universal concern, particularly when one does not live in a Western nation. As you likely well know, death for apostasy is clearly affirmed by Muhammad: “Whoever changes his religion (leaves Islam) kill him,” (Sahih Bukhari) as well as by all four Sunni Madhabs, and the Shi’a. The reason that I helped to compile Why We Left Islam: Former Muslims Speak Out is to bring attention to these types of human rights violations. And I call on you and every Muslim of conscience to join with me in renouncing this inhuman and evil Islamic practice.
Question 3:
It seems that you follow a brand of Christianity that is familiar to me as someone who grew-up in the 1980’s under the Presidency of Ronald Reagan. This is a Christianity that is heavily-mixed with a hyper-patriotism that is more than willing to support any war or military action. It presents the image of Americans somehow being a “chosen people” above all of the rest of God’s creation with the right to drop bombs on others any time She sees fit and the church should support this. Is there a war in American history you have not supported? When you look today at the camouflaged Bibles of American soldiers in Iraq and their pro-war chaplains and the Christian rhetoric that has been given as a justification for the war could you not say that it is militant Evangelical Christianity that presents more of a violent threat today than Islam?
Over the years I have learned not to stereotype people without first getting to know them. It is always best to get to know an individual before making the kind of assumptions and accusations that you seem to make so casually. You have greatly misunderstood me. I most certainly do not see Americans as being God’s chosen people in any way shape or form. In fact when I teach at my seminars and conferences, I always make efforts to deconstruct the American-centric mentality that too many Americans subscribe to. Instead I emphasize the Biblical worldview which is thoroughly Jerusalem, Israel and Middle Eastern centric. And of course, as a Christian, I believe that God created all people in his image. So whether we are speaking about a Somalian, an Afghani, an Eskimo, an Iraqi, or an unborn American child, God values all human life equally.
Regarding war, let me say this: Every war is evil. Period. Unfortunately, some wars are necessary and even justified in a world where evil and aggressive people such as Al-Qaeda and other radical Islamic groups are determined to attack others. ( UL: America was never attacked by Iraq nor was America under any threat from Iraq). As a Christian, I clearly believe that God gave the mandate to governments to protect its people. I am not a student of American History or American wars and thus cannot comment on whether or not there is a war in American history that I do not support. Alternately I would ask you if there was any war, battle or raid that Muhammad waged that you feel was unjustified? How do you personally feel about the beheading of 700-900 Jewish men from the village of the Banu Qurayza? Do you support this slaughter? Is there a war that was executed by any of the four “Rightly Guided Caliphs” that you think were unjustified? ( UL: No, there is not, these were the growing pains of establishing the True Religion of God and were carried out in a just manner under ethical guideline second to none at the time. For the record, with regards to America, there are past wars I would have supported and others, like the one in Iraq, that I do not)
Your question as to whether “militant Evangelical Christianity” represents a greater threat than Islam is simply perverted. And I think you know this. The notion that any Christian support for their government in protecting its citizens represents a threat to the world is simply preposterous. Particularly if one is speaking about America, the only non-imperialistic super-power that has ever existed. (UL: See this book). Let me ask you this Umar, is Afghanistan better off today than it was under the Taliban? ( UL: No) What about Bosnia? (UL: Complicated) How about Europe after World War II? (UL: Yes, I will agree on this one.) And who do the Afghanis or the Bosnians have to thank for this? The United States. But my question to you is this: As an American, did you support these wars? What do you feel would have been the proper response to the attacks on 9-11? If you were President, what would be your strategy be for fighting against Al-Qaeda? ( UL: Afghanistan was logical but carried out in an unwise manner. I would have went after those who were actually responsible instead of running off to Iraq and opening gulags for Muslims and burning the Constitution right here in this land)
I must also note that your questions smack of hypocrisy in light of the fact that the Islamic Umma under the Caliphate in its various manifestations for over 1300 years was one thing and one thing only: Imperialistic. As your “prophet” has said, “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’” Sahih Buhkari Book 52:196, Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah 2:193
Question 4:
When you look at the Christian base of the anti-Muslim hysteria and those promoting hatred in the name of the “love of Jesus” it is hard to escape these facts. Many of these same Christians (or their parents) a generation or two ago were pro Jim Crow segregationists, today continue to have poor relations with the African-American community, and even before that spread the Gospel through the gun to Native Americans and others. Now, these same people (for example in the Southern Baptist Church I grew-up in) who have always been so full of hate towards blacks and others while wearing their patriotism on their sleeves have found a new enemy to hate in Muslims. How do you explain the new bloodlust towards Muslims from these people as being anything other than just a part of this historical pattern?
Umar, as I said at the onset, you are doing nothing to build bridges nor are you promoting your cause with such broadly assumptive accusations. Your question is so utterly asinine that it is certainly not worth dignifying with a response. ( UL: Well let me see. Is it not the Southern Baptist Convention, the Assemblies of God, white Pentecostals and others who make up the bulk of this anti-Muslim fervor? And are these not the same groups that in every generation have been full of hate to others?). However, because I am a bridge builder, in order to help you understand how your question sounds, I mirrored it back to you below. Tell me how the following question sounds and if it is at all offensive:
When you look at the Muslim base of the anti-Jewish hysteria and those promoting hatred in the name of the “prophet of Allah” it is hard to escape these facts. Many of these same Muslims (or their parents) a generation or two ago were pro Nazi and pro-Holocaust, ( UL: video on Muslim heros of the holocaust), today continue to have poor relations with the entire non-Muslim world, ( UL: not true) and even before that spread Islam by the sword to Africa, Persia, Iraq, Asia Minor, Spain, and elsewhere. Now, these same people who have always been so full of hate towards Jews and Christians while wearing their Islam on their sleeves have found a new enemy to hate in America and Israel and Thailand and Russia and India and Australia and England and China and… well you get the idea. How do you explain the bloodlust of Muslims toward virtually every non-Muslim people in the earth as being anything other than just a part of this ongoing historical pattern? ( UL: There are 6 to 8 million Muslims in America. If Muslims were so full of hate towards America this nation would look like Chechnya.)
Question 5:
Moving to the middle-east I have spent a lot of time in Jerusalem in the past and it I a city I truly love. I notice that on your blog you have something about the aspirations for a Third Temple on the site where Masjid al-Aqsa sits today. There are a lot of Christians who have aspirations for Jews to build a Third Temple although if you talk to Israelis on the street very few outside of the political and religious fringes have any desires for a Third Temple. However, as you well-know, there have been well-documented ties between Evangelical groups in America and militant Jewish groups who have attempted to, or stated they would, blow-up Masjid al-Aqsa. While I was in Jerusalem one time a group of Christians from Colorado were rounded up and arrested for their plans to attack Masjid al-Aqsa and other Muslim targets. I ask you, do you support the physical removal of Masjid al-Aqsa in order to build a Third Temple? And, if you do, how should this be done? If not by an action of the government of Israel, which has shown zero inclination to do so, would you support an act by armed Jewish or outside Christian groups? No matter how you answer this question do you not see this as outside interference into the affairs of the Jewish people and looking at them as pawns in a game rather than a people?
I have also lived in Jerusalem. I agree with you that few Jews other than some of the Orthodox aspire to re-build their Temple. However, once again you have greatly misunderstood Christianity. As a teacher of Biblical Eschatology (End Times) I have yet to meet a Christian who seeks to destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque or the Dome of the Rock. I am aware that in 1969 a South African man from World Wide Church of God cult set fire to the Al-Aqsa Mosque. But of course, he was a cultist and not a Christian in any orthodox sense. I would like to see the proof for this event that you claim regarding the group from Colorado. ( UL: Link here to BBC coverage) I never heard of this and question the veracity of your claim. Also please provide this “well-documented” evidence that many Evangelicals have been tied to radical Orthodox Jews in their attempts to destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque. ( UL: Excellent book on the Evangelical- Settler ties) .
That said, as a Christian who believes the Bible, I do believe that there will be a Jewish Temple rebuilt on the Temple Mount. Many other Christians disagree. But believing that a Temple may someday be rebuilt and actually taking actions to see it take place are two drastically different things. Christians like myself simply believe that a Jewish Temple will be rebuilt, simply because the Bible says so. But we have zero desire to make that happen nor do we wish to see your Mosques destroyed. In fact the Bible actually states that in the Last-Days, the Jews will share the Temple Mount will non-Jews. John the Apostle in a vision was told this regarding the Last-Days Temple:
“Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles.” Revelation 11:1-2
Ultimately your question is this: By believing in the Biblical Armageddon, am I thus bringing it to pass? This is a common question that Bible believing Christians like myself are asked. But such questions fail to recognize the basic nature of Christian versus Muslim Apocalyptic belief. Christians believe that Jesus will return to defend his people from outside aggression. Christians believe that Jesus returns to save them. But Christians do not believe in actively pursuing Armageddon. Many Muslims on the other hand, are taught that they will fight in an aggressive apocalyptic war against Jews and the world. I could cite numerous examples of course, but the Hadith of the Gharqad tree comes to mind:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985
As you know, this Hadith is preached repeatedly by many Palestinian Imams and throughout the Muslim world. Do you as Muslim denounce this Hadith? ( UL: No, I do not, because as you I accept the theology and teachings of my religion on the end times, but I do not seek to bring them about, nor do I have the full understanding of the meanings of all of these ahadith) Because of evil traditions such as this one, too many Muslims are longing for the day when they can carry out the final Holocaust against Jews. ( UL: there has already been a Shoa which was carried out by Christians many who were devout and this was the culmination of centuries of Christian murder and persecution of Jews. While the slate of Muslims is not clean as it relates to Jews there is no history in Islam of such hatred and murder of Jews and history will show you that Jews historically lived better under Muslim rule than Christian). As Hassan Nasrallah (who according to a poll conducted in early April, is the most admired leader by Muslims) was quoted as saying, “If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.” (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002) ( UL: I have no love for the group calling itself Hezbollah or its leader so his statements mean nothing to me) Umar, is this the kind of religion that you wish to follow? Do you truly believe that God wishes you to kill Jews? I call on you and other Muslims of conscience to openly denounce and inwardly reject this aspect of the Sunna. (UL: This is not the sunnah. This link provides many of the well-documented acts of kindness of the Prophet Muhamamd ( s.a.s.) towards Jews).
But the point of all this is that it is the Muslims who are taught that they will one day be aggressors in a final apocalyptic battle. And as any simple glance of the news will reveal, many Muslims are actively pursuing this end. However, from the Christian perspective, we are to passively wait for Jesus to return. So again, on one side we have active aggressors and on the other side we have those who are passively waiting for their defender to come. You tell me which group represents a threat to the world.
In conclusion Umar, I call on you and every Muslim who reads this to renounce those aspects of Islam that do not support human rights or human freedoms. ( UL: the teachings of Islam are based on the Book of Allah, the One who created both of us, and the Sunnah of His Messenger( s.a.s.) in denoucing them I would be denoucing the one who created me and to whom I shall return) I call on you to reject the aspects of the Sunna that promote violence or hatred or the violation of women’s rights or that call for death for apostasy. I call on you to support the brave individuals in Why We Left Islam: Former Muslims Speak Out who chose to leave Islam. ( UL: I support them and I pray for them and because I care for them as you do I pray they return to Islam). If you truly believe that there should be “no compulsion in Islam,” then whether you accept their conclusions or not, you must support their decisions to leave Islam behind. As a Christian, I may not agree with many of the opinions expressed by the contributors to the book, but I obviously support their right to believe whatever they wish. And I challenge you all—my brothers and sisters in humanity—to do the same.
May 2nd, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I CHALLENGE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST TO PRAY FOR THE LOST WHO PRACTICE THE ISLAM RELIGION. I COMPELL MUSLIMS TO CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY AND INHERIT THEIR GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE.
MAY GOD BLESS.
NANCY
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I suggest we let Jesus speak for Himself. Muslims claim to believe in Jesus and even revere Jesus though they are taught that the Bible’s record of Him is unreliable. Regardless, Jesus did speak, and His words bring life and death, but they never return void. Jesus said “I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Me. He said Blessed are the peacemakers. He said Bessed are the meek. He said Father forgive them. And He said Woe to him by whom the sin comes. Muslims, too, will be drawn or repulsed by Jesus’ words and His Will will be done.
Solo Deo Gloria
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Solia Deo Gloria. And thank you for serving in Afghanistan Watapilot. Your are making the world a better place.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Interesting interview. Although Umar’s questions were extremely loaded, I think he made a lot of good points. The number one complaint I find from non-Christians about Christianity is that a majority of people who call themselves Christian are anything but, and I totally agree. In fact, I actually agree with Umar on Question 3. I am also concerned about the Christian Right and those who so vigorously promote war and the use of torture in war. I don’t think Jesus said to waterboard the enemy, but apparently Bush is reading from another Bible. Anyways, putting aside the issue of mixing politics and religion…
The main problem lies in what Umar is trying to demonstrate - bad Christians means a bad Christianity, which is just a poor argument. In a religion of 2 billion people, you are going to find a lot of examples of poor conduct. However, these Christians are in violation of the principles of Christianity when they conduct these acts. On the other hand, when Muslims wage jihad, kill converts - these people are actually “good” Muslims. That’s why Islam is a false religion… the scripture itself. Umar says it all in the last paragraph - being a good Muslim is akin to not supporting human rights and freedoms.
May 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 am
The problem with Umar’s response is that he either is ignorant of the general state of his religion and the values it holds or he is attempting to introduce Islam-lite to make the “religion of peace” more palatable. He clearly supports converting by the sword as done throughout the history of the “prophet Muhammed” and the succeeding caliphate. While it is true that there are examples of Christians behaving badly or in a way that misrepresents the Lord Jesus Christ (the God-man and Savior of the world)this behavior is rejected vocally by Christian leaders from all faith traditions.
The problem in Islam is that prominent Muslims refuse to criticize the terrorist and barbaric acts of Islam perpetrated all over the world day after day. Since 911 there have been some 10,000 Islamic terroist attacks! Are we really expected to buy this pack of lies! In addition Islam allows Muslims to lie to non-muslims when it is expedient or may further the cause of Allah, so….how do we know that Umar is even telling the truth? None of his statements representing Islam have any credibility because he is allowed to lie to infidels like us. This type of non-sense makes me sick. Be honest Umar Islam’s desire is to either peaceably or forceably subjugate the entire world to the worship of Allah and submission to Islam. That is why his comment about there being 6-8 million muslims in America is terrifying because sooner or later the US will be just like Chechnya and he will be 100% behind his Islamic brothers and sisters!
Come quickly Lord Jesus!
May 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 am
Joel, greatly handled with grace and peace.
May 3rd, 2008 at 5:25 am
“UL: There are 6 to 8 million Muslims in America. If Muslims were so full of hate towards America this nation would look like Chechnya”
I live in Australia but I think I need to point out the obvious. The fact that such a small minority (6-8 million) lives peacably says more about the large majority than the small minority. Look rather at how Muslim majorities treat their minorities to see how peacable/tolerant Islam is.
May 3rd, 2008 at 8:10 am
Isaiah 28:15 (NIV)
15 You boast, “We have entered into a covenant with death, with the grave we have made an agreement. When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by, it cannot touch us, for we have made a lie our refuge and falsehood our hiding place.”
This is a good description Islam.
Revelation 17:1-2 (NIV)
1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters.
2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
This describes what is happening in these last days. The wine is representative of the the oil from the Middle East.
Revelation 17:6 (NIV)
6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
This is a good example of what Islam is doing/will try to do to Christians and others throughout the world.
Revelation 18:3 (NIV)
3 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Again, another example of what is happening today concerning oil and the world’s way of legitimizing a lie.
The spirit of the antichrist is alive and well today. It will use Islam to bring the world to Armageddon.
All humanity is created in God’s image. I believe that we as Christians need to return to the simple message of the cross and share this life-giving hope to the lost and dying world around us. I also believe that untold millions of Christians in the past gave their lives for their Savior while experiencing their own tribulation. We should not be concerned with a rapture and missing the great tribulation that is to come. Rather, we should prepare ourselves to endure this and to give our lives for Jesus as He gave His for us. As we draw closer to God, He will also help us to draw closer to those who are lost so we can effectively share our hope with them, especially with those who seek our destruction.
I pray you continue to share the truth of Islam and that many, many more will wake up and see Jesus for who He really is.
Awesome job Joel!
May 3rd, 2008 at 9:52 am
I feel sorry for Umar Lee and others like him.
He says he couldn’t accept the Trinity. The fact is that even the Old Testament (OT) lends a _great_ deal of support to the doctrine of the Trinity.
Over 100 prophecies about the Messiah in the OT, each fulfilled ONLY by Jesus.
Hundreds of “foreshadows” of Christ in the OT.
Over 50 Points of similarity between Moses and Jesus.
Jesus’ statement that after him, false prophets and false Messiahs would _abound_.; so if any one says to you he is out there is in the desert, don’t believe him .. a prophecy believed to be about the False Prophet Muhammad.
What more does Umar want ? I encourage him to acquaint himself with these. Please read “The Case for Christ” by Lee Strobel.
Islam is a False Religion; Muhammad a False Prophet; the Koran a False Testament and Allah a False God.
God has allowed this False Religion to start, only to provide cannon-fodder (Muslims, by the Millions) for the Massacre of Gog prophseized in Ezekiel 38.
After that great event, Islam will die a natural death.
When Jesus returns, the remaining Muslims will become Christians.
The whole Earth will be filled with the knowledge of His Name.
Every knee will bend before the Messiah and on the whole Earth, there will be only One Name.
How does it profit to climb the ladder to the top-most rung, and then find it was leaning against the wrong wall ?
May 3rd, 2008 at 10:33 am
“God has allowed this False Religion to start, only to provide cannon-fodder (Muslims, by the Millions) for the Massacre of Gog prophseized in Ezekiel 38.”
Steven, I like how you summed this up. If anyone has ever seen the faces of Muslims at war, it’s a wide-eyed crazy look, as if demon-possessed. God’s plan brings most of them together in Eze. 38 in order to dispose of them in a way that will glorify God and give notice to the world that he exists.
Joel and others here, have you folks seen those two videos at Prophecyinthenews.com about the Jewish Feasts and eclipses that everyone in the bible prophecy community is talking about? No pun intended, but they appear to reveal a revelation of biblical proportions about events later this year. They are jaw-dropping videos about the coming of our Messiah.
May 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 am
Armageddon, What are the links again?
May 3rd, 2008 at 11:48 am
Joel - those links are:
http://66.155.114.80/video/Dsl/5904-D.wmv
which is part one with Mark Biltz.
and http://66.155.114.80/video/Dsl/5904-E.wmv
for part 2. Note these are the DSL/hi speed links, but if you got to the homepage, http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/ the links are right there in front with options for slower speeds if need be.
These videos are compelling, IMHO.
Peace.
May 3rd, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Its interesting. The combination of the various signs in the heavens with the possible establishment of the Palestinian State all seem to be coming together. Of course we will know if there is anything to this in just a few months. Again, watch Turkey’s involvement in all of this.
May 3rd, 2008 at 8:04 pm
I still dont understand how people can think Saddam was not a threat…it truly boggles my mind. Saddam invated Kuwait and brutally razed the area.
The Saudis were so disturbed by Saddam that they asked the US to defend them from Saddam. (I was there, I know first hand).
When Saddam was threatened by the coalition of forces, what did he do? He fired large missiles blindly into civilian areas of Israel. There are many more reasons why Saddam needed to be removed, hopefully people will think it through.
May 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I left this comment on his blog:
Must be nice to be a Muslim.. the most backward people on the planet with the biggest chip on their shoulders.
Lunacy must be a side effect of the moon.
May 4th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Hi Joel,
Nice interview. A great example to us all. Muslims discount the accuracy of the bible therefore writing off any scripture we might quote. What they cannot do though is write off their own prophets words. Excellent job of presenting their own teachings to them to defend. Especially an American muslim who is not familiar with the real goals of his new religion. Like it or not he must now face the nagging questions you brought up. Maybe the light will shine and he will realize he has stepped from the light into the darkness.
Jesus commands us to turn the other cheek and count as lambs for the slaughter as you pointed out. Mohammed commands muslims to slaughter all non-muslims while Jesus teaches us to love all our breathren and enemies. The contrast is clear there are only two sides. Those not with Jesus are against him. When a Christian wanders from the flock we are to love and teach him. When a muslims wanders off they are to flog and kill him. Maybe they could have won that convert back if they would have not threatened to kill him. Maybe he was just temporarily confused or depressed. A permanent solution to a temporary moment of doubt. Wonder if that ever crosses their minds? Anyway good interview Joel and may we all offer prayers for Umar and the millions he talks about like him.
Peace,
Seeker
May 4th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Thank you Joel; excellent job. Now I am just amazed that Umar has not bothered to read the writings of the one he seeks to examine! It seems he wants to be seen as an intellectual, but does not even make of pretense about being fully informed before launching off. Frankly, this tracks closely with the prevailing attitude among Islamic academics that a good education largely consists of reading the Koran and Hadiths. Any other reading is of little value
Along a similar line, I saw no evidence that, whatever Umar says of his past church experiences, he ever read and studied the scriptures with any rigor. Moreover, his criticism of people he knew in his church, at best, sounds like caricatures of Christians straight from Moveon.org It further sounds strident and trite, really not reflecting actual people, but a limited number of bad apples used to characterize the whole.
My third impression is that you must carefully parse what Muslim spokesmen, like those of CAIR, say about Islam. For instance, note that he says there is a huge “anti-immigrant tide” in America. Please Umar. There arguably is a huge anti-illegal immigrant tide, which is directed at the multiple millions of Latino illegals who are swamping social services and engaging in a startling amount of crime in many American communities. But please show me violence against any immigrant or tirades against legal immigrants.
Also consider this: “[A]s Imam Siraj Wahhaj once stated ”’How can I hate America? Everyone I love is an American’ so I leave the masjid all the time with this feeling.” That seems too clever by half. “Everyone I love . . . .” Of course Islamic doctrine is to not take friends from among the Christians and Jews (in fact all infidels). But as Jesus said, what credit is it to love those who love you first? And that really says nothing about your regard for America in general. The clever dodge/subtext here seems to be “How can I hate America, since every Muslim I love lives in America?” That is not only a false syllogism, it is deceptive.
Finally, as to the so-oft stated CAIR position that Muslims face a daily obstacle of discrimination in Amerika, that is mere polemic. As stated above, the party line is ever that Muslims in America and the West face vexing discrimination, yet specific examples seem as rare as frog hair.
Of course there must be some actual examples of bigotry, but any minority anywhere will face at least occasional bigotry; that is the nature of our wicked natures. Yet he blithely ignores the institutionalized, quite often violent and brutal, policies against religious minorities in Muslim-dominated counties, while trumping up the American countryside as rife with anti-Muslim Klansmen.
Particularly before 9/11, but even today, my experience has uniformly been that many, if not most acquaintances have little positive to say about the jihadists (nothing about understandable economic or cultural motives, etc.) but are just as uniformly non-judgmental about individual Muslims they encounter in the U.S. I have known a wide variety of Americans from across the social strata these many years, and have yet to encounter the wide-spread antipathy he postulates. In fact American Muslims (unlike in some European countries) are widely respected for being polite and law abiding.
In sum, Umar seems to be of a mold with many other Muslim apologists: (1) make generalized accusations of Western/Christian bigotry; and (2) at the same time strictly avoid dissecting the virtually universally held but rarely-discussed-outside-the-mosque Islamic scriptures that counsel separatism, hatred, and jihad, or dialoguing about the practices against the kuffar in Muslim dominated cultures.
May 4th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Umar says that he was “born again”. That makes me want to know whether or not he ever experienced the Holy Spirit. If he had, he believed in the trinity. If he hadn’t, he wasn’t born again.
May 4th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Robert, IMHO, nobody who truly meets the Savior ever turns back. Sure, they may stumble and fall, but in the end they can never forget or forsake the One that brought them from death to life.
It is because of this that I do not believe Umar has ever known Jesus. I am sure many might argue with me on this, especially those such as Umar…but I know what I know what I know.
May 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Oops…almost forgot to say…
Umar, I am praying for you. I am praying that God will show you the truth in such a manner that you will never again doubt.
There are a lot of people who say they are Christians just as there are a lot of people who say they are Muslims.
True Christians are easy to spot…they follow Jesus in every way…they lay down their lives daily to serve the Lord and show the world the love of the Father.
Sadly, it is the false Christians that gain so much attention…cursing and bruising everyone in their path.
The world is a mess and it is becoming worse by the moment…just as the Lord told is it would. Israel has been reborn as a nation after nearly 2000 years just as the Lord told us it would. Israel is the focus of attention of the whole world just as the Lord told us it would happen.
Don’t let the false Christians and imperfect nature of true Christians disuade you from seeking the truth.
I can promise you this! If you earnestly seek God, you will find him. He promised us this in his word so we know it is true. Ask him…with an open heart…invite his truth into your life…and you will know him…he promised.
May 5th, 2008 at 6:05 am
(John 1:4-5): In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Christian witness, whether with words or action, is powerful in Muslim communities. As an officer and a professor at an academy, I have observed and received accounts of the effectiveness of Christian witness in the Muslim world. I’d like to briefly share one of those accounts.
Two weeks ago, a young lieutenant gave his life to save his soldiers in Iraq. He left an amazing wife and a baby girl in this world, plus a loving family and adoring friends. While at the academy, he was the cadet in charge of the protestant Sunday school teachers. He was remarkable and touched the hearts of many. He was obedient to the Word and was lead by the Spirit.
During his packed funeral, one friend told of the affect he had in Iraq on the local population. Many Muslims in his sector noted that his eyes shined of light and joy. Contrary, their fellow Muslims eyes were void of light and life. Rather, they reflected emptiness. Without uttering one verse, or sharing his testimony, Muslims knew God was with him. Seeds were planted.
Continue to love and pray for our enemies…
May 5th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Wow, this comment in the original question really burdens my heart:
“Christianity is far from the dominant culture in American life and is little more than a sub-culture with little effect on the popular culture.”
God forgive us for not being the salt and light to our generation. It seems to me that many Christians are so busy fighting “culture wars” that we as a Church are SERIOUSLY neglecting the Great Commission.
People often think that they are Christians just because they attend a church. Many of them actually are baptised in their youth as well. I have friends who were baptised as youngsters, only to realize as adults that they were still lost. They had never truly come to know Jesus as Savior, repented and believed. Some made a profession as children to make family members happy. Others had made a profession of faith because they wanted to “give Jesus a try”, or find out how He could fill some void in their lives. This is not biblical conversion. A biblical conversion starts with repentance, belief in Jesus and then receiving Him as Savior. It is impossible to KNOW the Lord Jesus Christ and then reject Him as a fairy tale.
The most disturbing part of the interview was the fact that an American, supposedly moderate, Muslim obviously approves of beheading non-Muslims since he “cannot denounce” this. He also says that “Christian” nations who do not kill those who leave Christianity are weak. He continually comments that Christians don’t have love, yet he condones killing. How twisted is this thought process?
May 5th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Mr. Richardson, I demand you retract your wrongly attributed statement of hassan nasrallah. See here:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n19/letters.html
Mr. Richardson, I demand you condemn Thomas Aquinas’ writings, burn his books and erase him from the historical records because of his advocacy for the killing of apostates.
Mr. Richardson, I demand that you condemn the US government for its unmitigated military attacks on free media such as Al-Jazeera.
Mr. Richardson, you say that Islam was spread by the sword to Persia, Spain and the Maghreb. While these nations have substantial minorities of pre-Islamic populations, no Scandanavian countries have temples to Odin and Thor, nor Slavic countries temples to the gods of Thrace. Where are they? Did they vanish in the blink of an eye?
Mr. Richardson, you state that Christians are motivated by love. I say Muslims are motivated far more by love. While Evangelical Christians state their love, and proceed to commit genocide on the nation of Iraq, Muslims seek to calm the nerves of their irrational Christian brothers and urge them to a path of non-violence.
Mr. Richardson, you state that the Prophet (PBUH) ordered the killing of the Banu Qurayza, when in fact their own kinsman pronounced judgement on their treasonous alliance with the Quraysh.
Mr. Richardson, you say American is non-imperialist. What do you say about the 52 countries the US government has invaded since the end of WWII. Moreover, Europe recovered by it’s own industries, after having forgone the evils of empire due to the end of WWII. America gained military bases throughout the continent, a loan on which interest is being paid to this day, without having suffered any of the human or material costs of the war suffered by Europeans.
Mr. Richardson, isn’t it true that America is seen as the greatest threat to world security the world over? While Muslim terrorism is marginal, atheist/secular and Christian terrorism against Muslims is an ever-increasing and murderous phenomenon.
Mr. Richardson, I urge you to repent for the sins of yourself and your community. It is time you looked at truth with a clear and unhibited eye and see that it’s name is Islam, and that it is not going away.
May 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Muhammad,
I looked up your link about Nasrallah. The link does nothing to dispel the comment. It simply is the voice of one individual claiming that Nasrallah may not have said it. Your demands of me are incredibly arrogant. Renounce Nasrallah and Hezbollah and Islam’s violation of Human rights and then we can start to talk as equals.
Bless You, Joel
“In those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land…. Now what have you against me, O Tyre and Sidon (Lebanon / Hizbollah) and all you regions of Philistia (Palestine / Hamas)? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. - Joel 3:1-3
May 5th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Actually, the link specifies that the editor of the newspaper you cited has no faith in the comment that you attribute to nasrallah. That, in short, is a complete invalidation of your claim of Nasrallah’s statement. Joel, it is time you take your head out of the sand and your ears from the denizens of evil fury. The evangelical Christian church in the USA is in dire need of self-criticism. Currently much of it is nothing more then a bigoted, right wing-extension of the worst elements of the Republican party. Is it no wonder that the current republican establishment laughs at it’s Christian supporters. Did you hear the cackles and guffaws at Minister Huckabee’s candidacy from coulter, NRO, and the neocon intelligentsia? Long has the evangelical movement supported the Republican party, and what have they gotten you? A culture ever more degraded, a politics ever more corrupt and the evangelical movement ever more disgraced. It is time to see the darkness inside and recognize it, Joel.
May 5th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Muhammed, have you see the two prophetic videos mentioned above in this post? Get right with Jesus Christ before it is too late. Don’t allow hate to consume you so fully that you become incapable of seeing the evidence that the end of this age is upon us.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:26 am
And this is where it becomes next to impossible to reason with those whose religion states that it is admissable to lie, if it furthers the cause of Allah.
Muhammed, we love you, and pray that the one true God will lead you to the truth. I admire your courage to blog with us, but your accusations and derogatory comments are not leading anyone to embrace your religion or even welcome and understand your views. You do come across as very angry and arrogant.
While you point out, correctly, that the Church in America is not perfect, I challenge you to show us how Islam is any better. Certainly the Church and the Ummah are both made up of imperfect humans. While Islam is a religion of submission…basically man’s effort to obey and please Allah, Christianity is far different. Christiaity is God reaching out to man, through His Grace, offering us the chance to know Him and experience the fullness of life.
Do not equate America or Republicans with Christianity. Generally speaking, American values fit well with Christian values of life, liberty, the equality of all mankind, human rights, etc. But, they are not one and the same. You will find devout Christians on both sides of many politically charged issues.
I also encourage you to watch the videos mentioned above, and pray for God to lead each of us into the Truth.
May God bless you, Muhammed.
SS
May 6th, 2008 at 6:46 am
“no Scandanavian countries have temples to Odin and Thor… Where are they? Did they vanish in the blink of an eye?”
They didn’t build big temples or cathedrals like the Catholics, for one thing. They were sailors and conquerors of other peoples. For another, they weren’t fiercely loyal to their own culture in the way you assume. The Vikings, and MANY other peoples of the post-Roman world, easily assimilated into the existing culture around them. Yes, they did have some lasting influences. For example, many of the place names in Ireland have Viking influence. However, the reason you do not find a major culture change is that they did not force their way of life (other than putting themselves in charge) or religion on those that they conquered. In fact, within a short time, they stopped attacking churches, and became good Catholics in Ireland. If anyone in the world has had a great cultural impact, I would dare to say it was the Irish, who influenced American culture in enormous ways that cannot be easily counted, and the Jewish people who have probably made more lasting contributions to the entire world culture than any other single group in history.
You should have been in my world history class. Your teacher probably skipped a lot if you don’t know this.
May 6th, 2008 at 7:51 am
ArmageddonThruToYou, I am perfectly alright with Jesus Christ as the messiah and messenger born to the Virgin Mary. I, of course, am not alright with deifying a man born of a woman.
StopSharia, you say Islam is “man’s effort to obey and please Allah, Christianity is far different. Christiaity is God reaching out to man, through His Grace, offering us the chance to know Him and experience the fullness of life.” I agree. For in Islam, God believes his servant capable of reaching the standards that God sets for him, while in Christianity the Creator seems to do all the work. Christianity is a religion of salvation by faith, while Islam is a religion of salvation by faith, and sanctification by deeds.
Furthermore, the reason for my negative comments of evangelical Christianity in the states (it’s far different here in Canada)in this post are because Joel has portrayed Islam only from one side, and thus a counterpoint was needed.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Robert and Water are right, he never believed. Umar is a scoffer. He quoted “born-again” because he scoffs at the notion. I do it all the time. ‘Global warming’, ‘woman’s right to chose’, etc. I know you Umar, you scoff at the Holy Spirit. I pray for your heart.
Muhammed, Islam is a religion which requires the spilling of blood to please it’s god(47:4 will always mean what it says). Why is it that murder or death in the cause assures a muslim of salvation?. You’re deceived and deceitful. Throwing stones at the kabba and rubbing the black rock won’t save you. Do you believe the black rock absorbs sins? What standards did allah and mohammed set for you? What do you know about Canadian evangelicalism? Without googling, name a Canadian evangelical.
He was pierced for our transgressions
he was crushed for our sins
The punishment that brought us peace was upon Him
And by His wounds, By His wounds we are healed
We are healed by Your sacrifice
And the life that You gave
We are healed for You paid the price
By Your Grace we are saved
We are saved
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus
You carry on trying to convince the unimformed about the truth of allah and mohammed, I’ll do the same. I pray for your empty heart.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of Heaven, with Power and great Glory. Amen.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Muhammed,
Does your Koran not state that the scriptures were first given to the Jews and then to the Christians? It does because I’ve read it. You really need to do some research and ask yourself about your faith because according to what Mohammed said that the scriptures were given to the Jews and then to the Christians he is calling God a liar. God laid out promises for the Jews until the end of time, so if the Jews are no longer God’s people (according to Mohammed), then, God is a liar. In Ezekiel God promises that the Jews would be gathered out of many nations and would reestablish the nation of Israel. The events of May 14, 1948 shows that God kept his promises to HIS PEOPLE! God also promises, once the nation was reestablished, that he would no longer hide his face from his people, in other words he would protect them from their enemies. I give you the examples of the wars in 1948, 1967, and 1973. Their Muslim neighbors have thrown everthything they have at Israel and it continues to grow and prosper while Muslims live in slums like animals.
Your religion was not founded upon a visit to Mohammed by Gabriel, angels do not possess men’s bodies like “Gabriel” possessed Mohammed’s. That would be what Satan, the great deceiver, and his fallen angles (demons) do. God’s angels are only guides to men and messengers of God they do not manipulate men like Satan’s demon’s. You worship Satan, Allah is not God, he is Satan, I suggest you do a little research where the name Allah came from. Allah can be traced all the way back to ancient Babylon where Allah was the moon god. The crescent moon of Islam is a very old pagan-god symbol. Read Judges 7 in the Bible to see that Gideon rips off the crescent moon charms from the kings of the Midianites.
Find Christ and repent of your Satanic religion before it is too late. We will all pray for you.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Sean, first I must correct many of the misconceptions you’ve stated.
Muslims do not stone the Kaaba.
Nor do we believe rubbing the black rock will save us.
Nor does Allah require blood to be pleased, he just requires muslims to defend themselves when aggression is done against them such as the cases of Afghanistan and Iraq. The book of revelation has more violence in a chapter then the entire Quran has.
The first Can evangelical off the top of my head is Charles Mcvety. The other I was thinking of was Michael Coren, but if I remember correctly he converted to Catholicism. However, most of the devout Christians where I live are immigrants, predominantly from the Carribbean and China. They have a decidedly different outlook then Joel Richardson and his supporters.
Your sin can be washed away by praying to Allah, repenting for it with a sincere heart, intending never to do it again, and performing greater and more numerous worship of him.
Sahih Bukhari 6021: My servant keeps coming closer to Me with more volunteer deeds, until I love him. When I love him, I become His ear by which he hears, his eyes by which he sees, his hand by which he holds and his foot by which he walks. If he asks Me any thing I shall give him. If he seeks My protection I shall grant him My protection.
No sacrifice is needed Joel, All one needs is a penitent heart and a sincere intention.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Muhammed,
Anyone who has read the Koran, such as myself, knows no sacrifice is needed with Islam because it states in that Satanic book that Allah(Satan) chooses the ones he wishes to save. How do you know Allah(Satan) has saved you?
Only through the blood of Jesus Christ can one be saved. Pray and tell God that you have been practicing a Satanic religion and that you accept his son Jesus Christ into your heart for salvation.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Interesting.
Quote from Muhammed:
“Sahih Bukhari 6021: My servant keeps coming closer to Me with more volunteer deeds, until I love him. When I love him, I become His ear by which he hears, his eyes by which he sees, his hand by which he holds and his foot by which he walks. If he asks Me any thing I shall give him. If he seeks My protection I shall grant him My protection.”
That first line really drew my attention because it is opposite to what we are told by John:
1 John 4:10, 19 - “This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins…We love because He first loved us.”
It seems that Allah doesn’t love us until we do things for him (”volunteer deeds”). Yahweh, on the other hand, has loved us from the beginning, even while we were still sinners: “But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).
Mohammed, please understand that this is just one of the many fundamental differences between Allah and Yahweh. We want you to come to know God who loves you even when you fail. His love isn’t based on anything you do or don’t do. It is based on who He is.
Love isn’t something you deserve or earn. It is something given freely. Anything else is not love.
We want you to know this Love.
Also, a common misconception I keep hearing is the claim that Christians make Jesus a deified man. This is not true. Christians believe Jesus is God becoming human (the opposite from the common claim), Immanuel. This is vital, as we agree that no man can ever attain godhood.
Also keep in mind that Christians acknowledge good works as evidence of faith (James 2), but there is often confusion between evidence of faith and means of salvation. No one can measure up to God’s standard of holiness and perfection on his own, and therefore our good works can in no way determine our eternal destination; it is purely a work of grace from God through faith by us (Ephesians 2:8-9). However, God has His Spirit dwell in us so that by His strength we can do the good works He has made us to do (Ephesians 2:10). We do good to bring glory to Him, not to appease Him or make Him love us.
May God bless you and bring you into His light.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Gideon, of course the Quran states that there were scriptures that were given to previous peoples. But those scriptures have been corrupted, through copyist errors or intentional omissions and additions. While the Bible is different both in the number and which books are included in the text, the Quran is word for word, letter for letter the same even 1400 years later.
Gideon, you state that “Their Muslim neighbors have thrown everything they have at Israel and it continues to grow and prosper while Muslims live in slums like animals.” I wonder what you would have thought of Jesus (PBUH) surroundings, and his dislike of material propserity. Nor have their Muslim neighbours thrown everything at them. Indeed, the predominance of secular regimes has divided and weakened the muslim world, from the imperialist state of Israel, and it’s despicable crimes against Palestinians. Moreover, Israel has raised it’s hand against all it’s neighbours, without provocation, and has invaded all of them.
I also wonder why evangelicals are so fond of Israel, when gay pride parades are held in Jerusalem, and many, if not most of it’s citizens do not even believe in God.
The word Allah is actually very linguistically to the hebrew word Elohim as hebrew grammar was codified later then arabic grammar, upon which it heavily borrows, during the time of maimonides, and is heavily dependant on trilateral root words similar to arabic.
Michael, you have outlined one of the major differences between Islam and Christianity. In Islam, the first act of love by the Creator is of our existence. We exist in order to glorify and worship him. If we do not, then we are not deserving of his love. In Christianity, if you have freely given love, then surely the unbeliever should also enter paradise, since God is all love, and hell surely cannot even exist when God is all-loving and loves everyone.
But in the bible, God does hate, doesn’t he? For example he loved Jacob but hated Esau. Does God love Satan? I doubt it.
“God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” Psalm 7:11
There’s more, but in essence from what I read, God does hate, and his love is not freely given, it is earned. Like a pearl in an oyster, God’s love must be dug up and earned through hard work and determination, with the sincere intention of pleasing him and him alone. And like that pearl, it is more precious, more valuable and more glorious then any free garment in the marketplace.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Must a child earn his parents’ love? Must a husband earn his wife’s love, or a wife earn her husband’s love? Must a brother/sister earn the love of a brother/sister? Must a friend earn the love of a friend?
If God is the ultimate Father, the ultimate Husband, the ultimate Brother, the ultimate Friend, would it be any different? (I know you don’t agree with all of those comparisons, so you can take just the “Father” one.)
God loves all mankind, but that doesn’t mean all will spend eternity with Him. Remember, God has given mankind free choice. This has led to sin, which is rebellion against God. Sin separates us from God because He is holy and pure. It makes us focus and rely on ourselves only. It kills love.
Love is a choice: it can either be given or withheld. God chooses to give it to us always, no matter what. In our turn, we can either choose to accept love or reject it. It’s not God’s fault that we reject His love. By rejecting His love, we reject Him. Thus we choose to be apart from Him.
Because of His love, He has made a way for us to be reconciled to Him. He is holy and just; therefore, sin must be paid for, and the penalty of sin is death (Romans 6:23). But He chose to take that penalty Himself rather than let us suffer it. Thus He humbled himself, took human form, and allowed Himself to be killed in our place (Philippians 2:6-8). The One who alone is completely innocent bore the sin and shame of all the guilty, by choice. “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13). But being God, death could not hold Him and He rose again, defeating both sin and death.
Thus we have hope. He did this for us because He loves us and wants to save us. We can humbly accept His willing, innocent sacrifice in our place, knowing that we don’t deserve it (that is grace); or we can say it wasn’t good enough and that we’ll try on our own thankyouverymuch.
It breaks His heart.
God provided a way for us to restore our relationship with Him, but we have to accept this way. Jesus said He is the way to the Father (John 14:6). Not only did He say He is the way, but also that He is the truth and the life.
Sin must die in us if we are to be with God. Jesus (as God Himself) is the only one who has defeated sin and put it to death. We cannot put sin to death on our own. We know this because we still struggle with sin even after receiving salvation. Thus we must share in His death spiritually so that sin can die in us; then we can rise again with Him to new life, filled with His Spirit, no longer hindered or tainted by sin.
The reason Christians still fall into sin is because we still face the daily struggle of surrendering our life to God to live in the new life or picking up our old life and obeying its selfish demands. This is why Jesus said that in order to come after Him, we must deny ourselves and take up our cross daily and follow Him (Luke 9:23). Particularly in western culture, we can be easily distracted and allow ourselves to be misled. If we don’t actively make an effort to deny our old nature every day and choose to follow Christ, we will inevitably fall.
We are not perfect, but the One who lives in us is perfect. We are still faced with the choice of who we allow to be in command: us or Him.
Anyway, my point is that God’s love is freely given as the Bible states numerous times. This does not cheapen it. The love of the Creator of the Universe, who considers you the treasure of His creation, is not to be taken lightly. Nor is the fact that He gave His own life for us so that we can be together with Him. That is more valuable than any “love” which can be earned by doing what is asked of you.
He loves you more than you can possibly imagine.
And this love will not fade ever.
May 6th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Muhammed,
You have been duped by the great deceiver, Satan. You need to travel to Israel where they have scrolls from the Torah that are thousands of years old! There are scriptures from the New Testament that are around 2000 years old in existenance. There is no truth to the claim that the Bible has been changed! In fact, just the opposite, watch the Naked Archaeologist on the History Channel and you will see some of the ancient documents or you can travel there and see them for yourself. Mohammed coupled with lies from Satan got his followers to believe that lie. Do some research.
Allah is not derived from Hebrew. It comes from the Arabic Al’ Lah which was the Moon God, do some research. You have verses called the Satanic verses pulled out of your Koran because they involved the pagan daughters of Allah. Writings by Mohammed have been ripped from your so-called “holy book” because they were pagan!
If you want to read the Bible to find out what happens to your people read Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39, the Muslims are wiped out by God for attacking his chosen people!
May 6th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
God doesn’t need to sacrifice himself so that we may enter Paradise. He is omnipotent and omniscient. If he wishes to forgive, he shall. There is no need of blood in this process. All it requires is a penitent heart with a sincere intention to sin no more. Love is a trust between people, and between man and God. If a husband betrays his wife, his wife no longer loves him. If we betray God’s laws and substitute our laws for his, it means we are setting ourselves above God. This breaks the bonds of trust and of our requirement that we submit to his divine will. But because God is the most merciful, all we must do is regret our intention with utmost sincerity, intend never to do them again, and he will forgive our sins. This is because if we walk toward God, he will run towards us, if we utter his name in an assembly of men, he will utter our name in an assembly of angels. No blood, no slaughter, no sacrifice is required. It requires self-critique, self-discipline, regret in our action, fear of the hellfire, and hope in Allah’s mercy.
Gideon, I’m afraid you have been duped not just by Satan, but by laughable evangelical propaganda, and you have deceived yourself. Al-Lah means THE GOD. Moreover, the satanic verses have been proven by Islamic scholars to be a forgery perpetrated by the Banu Qurayza against the Prophet (PBUH). As I stated Allah is not derived from hebrew, but they share distinct linguistic roots. Hebrew, a language whose grammar is based and on classical arabic, has many similar words to Semitic languages (aramaic as well). The bible has been changed numerous times. This is a fact proven time and time again by biblical scholars themselves. An excellent website for your reference:
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/
May 6th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Muhammed,
What exactly do you call yourself? Certainly you have not studied Scripture nor the truth that they hold, verifiably and prophetically. I join with my brothers and sisters above in praying for you and that the blinders be taken off your eyes and heart. Satan clearly has his hold on your soul.
Joel,
THANK YOU, as always, for your sound defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am honored to be a part of the family in His Spirit and to His glory!
Maranatha!
May 6th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Muhammed,
Please! I’m a highly educated man and you are nothing more than blinded!
Can you explain why God’s promise to take Jews out of their homeland and spread them across their enemies, but would eventually bring back only a handful to form a reborn Israel came to pass as it was clearly stated in the Bible?
Can you explain why the alliance of nations stated in Ezekiel 38 are currently signing alliances with each other as it was written in the Bible?
Can you explain why Syria is currently at odds with Israel and threatening war when the Bible foretold that this war would happen in Isaiah 17?
Can you explain the numerous prophecies the Jewish Messiah was foretold to fulfull in the Old Testament and Jesus fulfilled them?
Can you explain how the book of Daniel laid out prophecies foretelling Alexander the Great, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, and the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple and Jerusalem?
There is no way for you to explain these, you must accept the truth that you are living a lie.
Do you know what Aucham’s Razor is? Let me explain it to you, it states that the simplest answer is almost always the correct answer.
So, You have two books both claiming to be the word of God.
One book had the Torrah, which is part of the Tanakh was written starting around 3500 years ago and it contains numerous prophecies that have come to pass and many more are coming to light right now. There are numerous writings scrolls and writings that are thousands of years old that are still studied. Following of this book was spread by peace. The scribes of this book were just men.
The other book was written by one man 2000 years after the other book with no witnesses to the occurence that supposedly makes this a holy book. It claims the other book is false, but there is no proof to back this up. This book contains very little prophecy, so it is hard to tell if these were promises made by God. Following of this book was spread by force and the sword. The man who wrote this book was a murderer and pedaphile.
I don’t know about you, but the first option is a much easier pill to swallow.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
And I forgot, yeah I’m going to go to an Islamic website so they can tell me how corrupted the Bible has become over the years and believe what they write, what a joke!
Like you said, if the Bible has been corrupted and Mohammed said it was the original word of God, how did God, creator of the universe, allow his perfect word to become corrupted by mere men? And why do the prophecies contained in the “corrupted” Bible still keep coming to pass?
Scientists and archaeologists have been trying to prove the Bible is wrong for decades and all they have uncovered is evidence that proves the words and history are accurate. I would suggest researching evidence of the Exodus.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Gideon, you have all the symptoms that John Bunyan wrote of the character Talkative in Pilgrim’s Progress.
First it’s Occam’s razor, not Aucham’s razor.
The bible is full of outright contradictions, insertions, omissions and is a completely different text from what it was when revealed to the Prophets. If you wish not to read about the history of the text, that your perogative, but you are living in ignorance, and your heart has hardened against the truth.
First, somehow, Russia, a traditional orthodox Christian nation is now seen as an ally against Israel, while it’s genocide of Chechnya and vilification of Muslims throughout the land is notorious.
Syria is not at odds with Israel. The despicable Syrian secularists, mass murderers of Muslims, and defenders of secular facsism have long had secret dealings with the USA/Israel. Note the support Syria gave to the first gulf war. and it’s massacre at Hama of courageous muslim resistance.
Your question of the Jewish messiah should apply to Jews shouldn’t it? Jews certainly don’t believe in a Son of God being the messiah. I challenge you to debate a rabbi on this topic. Note also how Orthodox Jews refuse to step in a church because of it’s worship of man, while they are allowed to go into mosques because they recognize that Muslims worship the One and Only true GOD, without partners.
I would encourage you to read the TRUE signs of the day of judgement, nearly all of which have come to pass.
See:
http://www.muslimaccess.com/ebooks/signs_of_qiyamah.asp
The Quranic text has remain unchanged from Day 1. Not a single letter or diacritical mark has changed. Meanwhile, the bible has gone throught various revison, according to the particular confessional group. The bible of the Ethiopian Church is different from the Catholic version and so on. The number of books and which books are included are different. How can anyone claim that the Bible has not changed, when each particular sect claims it’s own version as the inerrant and correct one. Meanwhile the first Quranic text has been recorded in writing only 20 years after the death of the Prophet PBUH, while the oldest extant Bible is from the 5th century. Moreover, if all the books in the world were to disappear, only the Quran could be put back together letter by letter, with not a word different. this is because Allah has blessed the ummah with tens of thousands of people who have memorized the entire Quran. No other religion can claim this miracle, a book committed to the memory of tens of thousands of it’s followers.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:50 am
Muhammad, there are many variants of the Qur’an recorded in the hadiths. It has not been the same. There were missing verses, and verses that are different from the ones today.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Muhammed, was the black rock formerly white, and does/has it absorbed sins? Do muslims travel around the kabaa 7 times?
How many good deeds do you need perform to know if you are saved or not? How do you know if allah has forgiven you? What do you feel when you know? Are you always trying to prove yourself to him without ever knowing the outcome? You see, you are walking in the darkness, so you can’t feel the Holy Spirit. I’m praying for your heart to open and accept the Lord.
Your ‘counter-point’ seems to be to want to equate/compare American Evangelicals with Jihadists, yes? You might be a Liberal, or an NDPer, but you are mistaken. Large portions of Canadian Christianity dwell within the church of Laodicea. Maybe your Caribbean and Chinese friends are evangelical, or not. Do they promote Jesus to you, or are they too busy trying to accomadate or avoid insulting you? Are they appeasers when it comes to Biblical/koranic differences?
I put that song in my previous post because it explains our salvation, the blood of the Lamb. I broke the Commandments, so again, how will I know I am saved? How many deeds do I need perform? And don’t presume I abuse Grace, never, I’m saved, so I act saved. My actions are for others, not myself.
Another song for you. I know hundreds, if you stick around I can sing everyday.
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now am found,
Was blind but now I see
Twas Grace that taught
My heart to fear
And Grace, my fears relieved
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed
Through many dangers, toils, and snares
We have already come,
Twas Grace that brought us safe thus far
and Grace will lead us home
The Lord has promised good to me
His Word my hope secures
He will my shield and portion be
As long as life endures
When we’ve been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Then when we’ve first begun
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost but now am found
Was blind but now I see.
May 7th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Muhammed,
Again, that book was written 600 years after Christ died! It was written by a man that murdered people and took a nine year old as his wife!!!! At one point in the book he tells his followers to be nice to people and invite them to join us because he and his followers numbered very few, but when he grew in numbers he commanded his followers to kill nonbelievers if they refused to convert!
I’m not going to go to some muslim website. You follow a false religion that encourages and preaches from the Koran to beat women! You support regimes like the Taliban that execute women if the husband says the women cheated on him, there doesn’t have to even be proof, just the fact that the husband said she cheated allows so-called “holy leaders” to execute these poor women by stoning or having their heads cut off!
Of all the conflicts happening on the face of this planet 9 out of 10 of them involve muslims because they can’t get along with anyone! God told Abraham that this would be the case for the Ishmaelites:
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and every ones hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all their brothers. (Genesis 16:12)
You have yet to address any of the questions I have posed to you! Take a moment and reread them and try to explain them away!
One of the biggest differences between your Allah(Satan) and my God is that your so-called holy book states that Allah does not guide the wrong doers. The Bible states that God loves all of his creation(man) and we have both good and bad things happen to us to guide us to God.
This means in Islam that those that are doing wrong will always be damned because Allah never guides them to him, whereas in Christianity, God guides even those that turn their back on him to give them chances to accept his eternal gift of life by accepting his son, Jesus Christ.
Christianity is like no other faith in the world. You cannot be born a Christian. You can be born a muslim, you can be born a Jew, but you cannot be born a Christian. Accepting Christ is a personal decision that can only be made by the individual. You can be raised in a Christian household and still not be a Christian because you have to take the initiative yourself to accept Christ into your heart.
Also, in your religion you are forced to pray 5 times a day. That is not love that is religion. Do you have children? I do and I’ll explain why this is important. If I told my child that they had to come to me 5 times a day and tell me thanks and they loved me, it doesn’t mean a darn thing. But, if my child comes to me of their own freewill and says, Dad you do a lot for me and I love you, that means the world! God is our father, he is not looking for forced worship, he wants your praises from your own freewill. Satan is the one who wants forced worship and offered the world to Jesus if he would just bow down and worship him.
I assume you live in the West. Ask yourself this question, why did you or your family leave a country functioning on failed Islamic laws to come to a Western nation prosperous because of Christian principles? If you are in the U.S., I pray to God you are not, you are living in a country founded by God’s hand with a founding in God’s laws. The only other country ever founded by God’s laws is Israel.
Knowledge is not intellegence, intellegence is taking what you have learned and applying it in your life effectively. You started on this thread defending an evil evil man named Nosralla/Dogralla, whatever his name is! This man wants to kill people just because they are Jewish, he is no different than Hitler! So, Mohammed, it does not matter what you say I will always look at you as an ignorant evil person until you renounce your Satanic religion!
May 7th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Muslims don’t believe the black stone washes away sins. It mee Krely is a stone from Heaven that Allah has blessed us with.
Amac, there are no variants of the quran recorded in the hadith. What they are is different methods of recitation. The essential meanings of the seven qira’at are exactly the same
Sean, there is no peace in my heart comparable to the one which follows a sincere and reverent obligatory prayer to Allah. My heart is filled with light and hope, and my hours pass by with utmost peace. When I do not obey Allah’s commands, my heart i disenchanted and a constriction is felt in it, until I fulfill my obligations upon my creator.
Westerners are always chanting about how their governments guarantee human rights. They don’t believe in the rights we owe God as his creation and slave. Muslims believe God created them with fitrah, the innate sense of goodness, while Christians believe mankind is stained with sin. In short, Islam holds men accountable because it elevates man, Christianity holds God accountable for the sins of it’s followers, and lowers God’s gloriousness and majesty.
Yes, my Christian friends do promote Christ to me, but they don’t resort to calling me a Satan worshipper, and I can have a respectful dialogue with them. They also don’t portray other religions as all evil, the way many in this forum do.
Gideon, the Prophet (PBUH) never murdered people. He fought back against aggression done unto him. As I’ve stated the Jesus of the Book of Revelation is the most violent of all figures from religious books.
Gideon, if you believe that Jews are the chosen people, you must also know that numerous rabbis have allowed sexual intercourse with girls 3 years and older. We are blessed with the fact the Prophet PBUH married a young wife. Much of our traditions have been saved by the hard work and teaching she did after the dead of the Prophet PBUH. Moreover, in those days, it was imperative that women marry as early as possible, because death was so commonplace. None of the Prophet’s six children survived past the age of twenty. It was imperative for the survival of society and procreation of that society to be married as early as possible.
Allah does guide the wrong-doers provided they have remorse for their sin. For example,
The following is based on a hadith from Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 676.
There was a man who had heartlessly murdered ninety-nine people. Then, he felt remorse.
He went to a learned man and told him about his past, explaining that he wished to repent, reform, and become a better person. “I wonder if Allah will pardon me?” he asked.
For all his learning, the scholar was a man who had not been able to digest what he had learned. “You will not be pardoned;’ he said. “Then I may as well kill you, too,” said the other. And kill him he did.
He then found another worthy individual and told him that he had killed a hundred people. “I wonder,” he said, “whether Allah will pardon me if I repent?” Being a truly wise man, he replied, “Of course you will be pardoned; repent at once. I have just one piece of advice for you: avoid the company of wicked people and mix with good people, for bad company leads one into sin:”
The man expressed repentance and regret, weeping as he sincerely implored his Lord to pardon him. Then, turning his back on bad company, he set off to find a neighborhood where righteous people lived.
On the way, his appointed hour arrived, and he died. The angels of punishment and of mercy both came to take away his soul. The angels of punishment said that as a sinful person he rightfully belonged to them, but the angels of mercy also claimed him, saying, “He repented and had resolved to become a good man. He was on his way to a place where righteous people live, but his appointed hour had come.” A great debate ensued, and Gabriel was sent as an arbitrator to settle this affair.
After hearing both sides he gave this verdict: “Measure the ground. If the spot where he died is closer to the good people, then he belongs to the angels of mercy, but if it is nearer to the wicked people, he will be given to the angels of punishment.”
They measured the ground. Because the man had just set out, he was still closer to the wicked. But because he was sincere in his repentance, the Lord moved the spot where he lay and brought it to just outside the city of the good people.
That penitent servant was handed over to the angels of mercy.
Gideon, you are a laughable ignoramus. Do you even know any history about Zionism. All the leading zionists were committed atheists. Moreover, Israel is run by secular law, not religious. Most of it’s Jewish citizens are deeply antireligious people who permit gay pride parades in Jerusalem.
The reason my family moved here is because of their children’s education. This is because of the constant war that American and its puppet governments have committed against the peoples of the Muslim and Third World, not allowing them the peace and tranquility that is needed for progress. None of the founders of the USA were religious. They especially hated Christianity. Just read the works of Paine, Jefferson, Adams etc. and read of their hatred of Christianity.
There is no Muslim Country following Islamic law, save Iran. All the others are run by secular dictators and absolute monarchs, something completely against Quranic practice.
Nasrallah is a leader of a resistance movement that is intent on throwing the occupying Israeli army out of it’s homeland. Moreover, Nasrallah is in no way anti-semitic. He regularly meets with brave Jews like Noam Chomsksy and Norman Finkelstein, who see the perfidy and evil that Israel has committed. As I’ve already shown, Nasrallah never said anything genocidal about the Jews. Have some intellectual rigour and admit it.
I also don’t understand why Christians pray to God. If they know they’ve been saved what use is prayer.
All studies have shown that the Muslim beating of women is quite a bit lower then the American rate of beating women. Also, the divorce rate is far lower.
I’ve already answered your laughable challenges of biblical prophecy, something the likes of Van Impe and Robertson have been promoting ever since they got on the scene. Notice how none of their predicitons come
true? I’ve also answered every other question you’ve raised. Stop skirting the facts, Gideon.
I don’t support the Taliban, but it was completely immoral to invade Afghanistan. The Taliban said they would hand over Bin Laden if given proof of his involvement in 9/11. Bush refused and he invaded. Now hundreds of thousands of people have paid the price for his incompetence and stubbornness.
I agree that nobody is born a Christian. Everyone who is born is in a state of innocece, fitrah, and is henceforth a Muslim. It is only their environment that changes them towards another religion. This is because while we are born we are sinless, while as we grown we commit more sins.
I urge you to join the brother in this video in embracing Islam:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=anjcKXsfnFE
and embrace the prophet of love in this beautiful speech by the blessed Shaikh Habib Ali al-Jifri
http://youtube.com/watch?v=io7DZll2rIQ
May 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Muhammed,
It is people like you that are a cancer on this once great nation. You hate the West yet you hide behind our laws. Please leave the nation you are in, stop using it. I will buy your ticket and send you back to where animals such as yourself dwell and thirst for murdering Jews and Christians.
You never answered a single question I posed. Explain this away:
Therefore, give the exiles this message from the Sovereign Lord: Although I have scattered you in the countries of the world, I will be a sanctuary to you during your time in exile. I, the Sovereign Lord, will gather you back from the nations where you were scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel once again.” Ezekiel 11:16-17 (NLT)
Fulfilled May 1948! You cannot say that this has been changed. The book of Ezekiel in its fullness is in the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were written just a couple of thousand years before the fulfillment.
I love that you use Noam Chomsky as an example of a REAL Jew. The man is an atheist!
http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/1990—-.htm
Norman Finkelstein is a self hating Jew, he doesn’t practice the religion, thus making him an atheist. To say he represents Jews is like saying Judas is representative of Jesus!
What a Joke HomohamMAD!
All Islamic nations with the exception of Turkey follow laws based on Islam! Do some research! If what you said was true I should be able to enter these countries and do missionary work, but that is far from the case! Turkey is even moving towards hard line Islamic laws too.
Fatrallah will be killed by an American soldier or the IDF in the near future! He is lower than dog excrement! He is a fat terrorist and nothing more! He scrambled his bloated butt out of Lebanon when Israel unloaded on Wussbollah a few years ago! What a coward! He sat in safety stuffing his face with ding dongs while his little terrorists weanies were being killed!
Let me ask you something? If you and your muslim friends are such great and just people why is the best selling nonfiction book in the muslim world Mein Kampf? Why did the muslim world align itself with the evil Nazis? Why did Amin Al Husseini’s Waffen SS divisions kill loads of Jewish children that were supposed to be sent to the West? Admit it, you have a poster of Hitler in your bedroom don’t you? You wish Hitler had succeeded don’t you?
If you are living in the U.S. I bet you are salivating to vote for Obama aren’t you? That is what I thought! So, you are going to vote for a man who supports homosexual marriage and homosexual rights? A man that supports infanticide? All because he has the middle name Hussein…..
You will one day welcome the AntiChrist with open arms and burn in Hell because of it!
I spit on your Shake Habib Alibobba! He has made himself an enemy of God for preaching hate against God’s chosen people! The British should lock him up or better yet deport him back to muslimville!
Your prophet Mohammed is burning in Hell as we speak, he is now serving his true master!
I will continue to pray for you.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Muhammad, you said there are no variants in the Qur’an and that they are only differences in recitation. That is not true. Please tell me where is the ibn Adam verse and where is the stoning verse that Muhammad used to recite?
It is interesting that the Muslim commentators freely discussed them in the tafsirs and translations.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Muhammed, have you read Joel’s book. It’s pretty revealing. Have you read his latest book? “Why We Left Islam”. It’s fascinating.
I pray that you too may find true peace in the One True God.
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you ever want to stand before God under the right conditions, I suggest you take the narrow path through Jesus. There is no other way under heaven by which you will gain access to the Almighty.
And, here’s a good question for you: Why was your god impotent against the POWER of MAN when it came to protecting his Word the 1st two times?
How can you take a god at his word if he failed twice? How can we trust that he got it right the 3rd time (Quran)?
See, I can’t worship your weaker god. The reason for that is that Allah is not Yahweh. Even you will admit that allah’s name is not Yahweh, Jehovah, the God of Abraham, ISAAC, and Jacob. No, allah is not God.
Allah has no son. Yahweh has a son: “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Jesus died to save humanity.
Mohammed wants humanity to submit to him , or else off with their heads.
Jesus loves you.
Mohammed, if he could , like the man in Jesus’ story in hell, would warn you to not follow him there.
May 8th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Muhammed, it’s a moon rock or a meteorite, not from heaven.
You are deceptive in your words. You escaped your own murdering people, not the Zionists and their supporters. You came here to talk BS, not offer a ‘counter-point’.
You congregate with your brothes and keep praying for our destruction and I’ll congregate with my brothers and sisters and we’ll keep praying for your salvation.
Before your death, can you ever know if allah has chosen to save you? Will you have to keep proving yourself against non-beleivers? You have chosen a dark path. Christ Jesus came into the world to save all sinners, not condemn them like mohammed has. My salvation is from love, your perceived salvation is from hatred.
If Revelation were from mohammed would you feel it is violent? Or just?
Find the light.
May 8th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Jesus Christ, I think upon your sacrifice
You became nothing
Poured out to death
Many times, I’ve wondered at your gift of life
I’m in that place once again
I’m in that place once again
And once again I look upon the cross were you died
I’m humbled by your mercy and I’m broken inside
Once again, I thank you
Once again I pour out my life
Now you are exalted to the highest place
King of the Heavens, where one day I’ll bow
But for now, I’ll marvel at your saving Grace
I’m full of praise once again
Oh I’m full of praise once again
And once again I look upon the cross where you died
I’m humbled by your mercy and I’m broken inside
Once again I thank you
Once again I pour out my life
Thank you for the cross
Thank you for the cross
Thank you for the cross, my friend